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From: dricej@drilex.UUCP
Newsgroups: news.admin,news.software.b,news.sysadmin
Subject: Re: Database of all net sites
Message-ID: <194@drilex.UUCP>
Date: Thu, 12-Feb-87 05:46:24 EST
Article-I.D.: drilex.194
Posted: Thu Feb 12 05:46:24 1987
Date-Received: Sat, 14-Feb-87 01:42:33 EST
References: <110@catsim.catsim.UUCP> <7960@decwrl.DEC.COM> <3339@cbosgd.ATT.COM> <747@briar.UUCP>
Reply-To: dricej@drilex.UUCP (Craig Jackson)
Organization: Data Resources/McGraw-Hill, Lexington, MA
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Keywords: netsites, Database
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In article <747@briar.UUCP> rob@briar.philips.com.UUCP (Rob Robertson) writes:
>In article <3339@cbosgd.ATT.COM> mark@cbosgd.ATT.COM (Mark Horton) writes:
>>(3) The internal details of a company are nobody's business but that
>>company.  AT&T in particular does not want it's internal list of system
>>administrators published to the outside; it considers that information
>>very proprietary, and I've been told to stop sending it out.
>
>Why?  Are they ashamed of them. :-)

No--they're afraid you might try to hire them all.

Seriously, the employee list for nearly any company is considered
confidential.  Sure, it isn't hard to get ahold of the company phone list
at most companies, but when the charges of employee raiding start to fly,
that list is considered confidential.


>There are a few uses of the map, which can't be substituted by the
>domain system.  The first is if I'm looking for a uucp connection.
>It provides a nice geographical way of finding a connection.
>The second is finding out the system manager of a system.  We recently
>changed our phone number here at philabs, and we had to phone EVERYONE
>up and tell them, the maps provided the data.  

Most of the 'external' links will probably continue to be published.  And one
should certainly have the phone numbers of the sysadmins of the sites you talk
to.  The principle behind the domain-oriented maps, though, is that if you can
find the person on your company phone list, and his/her site doesn't talk to
the outside world, then you needn't publish his/her site.

Maybe we can have a special place where companies list the latitude and
longitude of their internal machines, without listing anything else.  However,
in most cases, even this won't add much to the map.  Except for large companies
with extensive internal nets (many of which, like DEC, don't publish their map
today), most of the machines which will disappear are colocated with gateway
machines which will not.
-- 
Craig Jackson
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