Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP
Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site hcrvx2.UUCP
Path: utzoo!hcr!hcrvx2!jimr
From: jimr@hcrvx2.UUCP (Jim Robinson)
Newsgroups: can.politics
Subject: Re: who should pay for education. sort of.
Message-ID: <2775@hcrvx2.UUCP>
Date: Wed, 4-Mar-87 17:44:54 EST
Article-I.D.: hcrvx2.2775
Posted: Wed Mar  4 17:44:54 1987
Date-Received: Thu, 5-Mar-87 01:36:35 EST
References: <215@fornax.uucp> <2770@hcrvx2.UUCP> <884@ubc-cs.UUCP>
Reply-To: jimr@hcrvx2.UUCP (Jim Robinson)
Distribution: can
Organization: HCR Corporation, Toronto
Lines: 32
Summary: 

In article <884@ubc-cs.UUCP> manis@ubc-cs.UUCP (Vincent Manis) writes:
>
>First, John's suggestion is not that far from the present situation: if
>you take out a Canada Student Loan, default on it, and leave the country,
>the govt, through its collection agency, can take legal action against you
>for recovery. If you don't reenter Canada, you can successfully avoid
>repaying. All John was really suggesting was that CSL's be available for 
>100% of your tuition, and be forgiven if you're an excellent student.

[Just some more twaddle for the fire]

I don't think it was John's intention (to his credit) to limit the
benefits of his plan to excellent students. His criterion was that the
student's grades had to be "acceptable".  At any rate, the part that
Vince omitted, and that I take exception to, is that the "forgiven"
loan suddenly becomes unforgiven upon emigration. Thus, what we have is
an emigration tax; a concept alien to most free societies and one which
should bother those who believe in the free movement of a country's
citizens. [Note that John also suggested raising tuition to its real
cost, thereby making it impossible for your average 18 year old
Canadian to pay for his education without participation in this plan.]

BTW, Vince, I was under the (possibly mistaken) impression that
socialists considered education to be a right. As a self-proclaimed
socialist could I implore you to set me straight on this?  (no cop-outs
about 3 socialists giving 4 different answers allowed :-) Also, if
socialists do believe that education is a right, then how does a
socialist in good standing rationalize making what is supposed to be a
right effectively conditional on the recipient remaining in the country?
[Who said I wasn't willing to learn from socialists?]

J.B. Robinson