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Subject: Re: definitions of culture
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Date: Thu, 12-Mar-87 21:19:10 EST
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>From: mmt@dciem.UUCP (Martin Taylor)
>Trivial personal experience: The fellow who (easily) headed my 1956 Uof Toronto
>Engineering Physics class went for graduate work to MIT (more prestige,right?).
>When he came back with a Master's he reported that UofT education was MUCH
>better.  He was greatly disappointed with MIT education.  

	This is the same "when I was a little boy" reasoning that Ronald
	Reagan usually resorts to.   I am not disputing that the quality of
	education at UofT at the time you mention, in the specific program
	you mention was good or even superior to MIT at the same time.
	I have worked for people who came from this very program, and am
	continually impressed by their abilities, but I don't think this 
	is relevant to the quality of education in Ontario/Canada today.

	In late 50's/early 60's, Ontario postsecondary institutions got almost
	whatever they asked for.   Today, they don't get the same treatment,
	and this results in outdated equipment, lack of professor motivation,
	lower academic standards of graduates, etc, etc, etc.    
	
	I'll bet that if you go look at some of the equipment in the UofT
	labs its the same stuff you used back in 56; and don't dismiss this
	as wild exaggeration since I am relatively sure that a lot of the
	electronic equipment used in chemical engineering labs at UofW (for
	automatic analysis, etc), hails from the same era as 1956, and
	Waterloo is generally thought to keep their labs more uptodate than
	Toronto does.

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