Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!rutgers!ames!ucbcad!ucbvax!jade!eris!spencer From: spencer@eris.UUCP Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga Subject: Re: Another Text editor-- Message-ID: <2515@jade.BERKELEY.EDU> Date: Thu, 12-Feb-87 22:03:29 EST Article-I.D.: jade.2515 Posted: Thu Feb 12 22:03:29 1987 Date-Received: Tue, 17-Feb-87 03:11:09 EST References: <384@inria.UUCP> Sender: usenet@jade.BERKELEY.EDU Reply-To: spencer@eris.BERKELEY.EDU (Randy Spencer) Organization: University of California, Berkeley Lines: 104 In article <384@inria.UUCP> rouaix@inria.UUCP (Francois Rouaix) writes: > DOCUMENTATION FOR THE VERSION 2.1 OF TEXT EDITOR MED > >Use of the Mouse: >================= > > Move the cursor. > Move the lift. (scroll-bar) > Selecting text: > Hold down the left button and move the mouse. Release the button > at the end of the region you want to select. > The selected text is highlighted. > You may also use an 'extended-select' mode > 1. Hold down the left mouse button. > 2. Press the Escape key. > 3. Release the left mouse button. > 4. Use the lift (as many times as you need). > 5. Click in the window. The visible selected text is highlighted. > 5. You can return in 2. OK, so maybe this is not the forum to bring up the Mac, but... When I first got the Amiga documentation I read RJ's comments on the Intuition interface and loved them. Then later I read the Inside Mac stuff and realized that they had gone to greater length to figure stuff out. Now I am not saying that the Mac is a better machine, is there a CS major out there who doesn't appreciate the Amiga design?, but the workbench is not as hot as the Mac Desktop. So, let's learn from the Mac desktop. Why do we: 1. Hold the mouse button, then 2. press Esc, then 3. lift the button, 4. button the lift, 5. click in the window again?, 5. have two item 5's ?? Now why can't we simply click the mouse button, setting an insert point, or placing the cursor (since insert point is not as easy on the Amiga), then move to the other end of the block we want to define (anyway we can), and shift click? thus selecting everything between point and, um.. well, let's call it mark. Every file would be in a seperate, resizable window. If we want to edit 80 columns in a window with a boarder you use MoreRows and increase the size of your workbench screen. Now I spoke to Mike Meyer once about putting scroll bars on MicroGnuEmacs, and he was against the idea, because if you put a scroll bar on the full window you wouldn't be able to tell which little Emacs window to scroll. Now I can see with MG that he would want to keep it all in one window because it is transportable from the Amiga to Unix to CP/M. But what about another editor. MattED (new name for MED) would be great for this kind of editor, but then again, I know Matt, and he wants the menu button to do what it does now. Take him anywhere in the file _FAST_. Let nothing come between Matt and making his computer as fast as possible. (BTW, Matt, MattED _is_ really great.) So, that shoots the two best PD editors out of the race. But if there is some kind soul out there who wants to make _One More Editor_, I would love to see it work well in the DeskTop environment. Drag Select text, cut copy paste. New and open that are always ready to open a new window on the screen with another document in it. I can shuffle through the windows with ^X^O, if I want two windows into the same document I do a ^X2 and I get two windows with scroll gadgets. Windows have close gadgets to say you are done with a file, and the status line and the line below it (extended command line) are in another seperate window( ala Scribble). This is great stuff. If anybody wants a full product discription I am going to write one up now and try to con programmers I know into writing it. Boy listen to that rain! PS. Thanks for the weird answers on the 2 meg chip ram Amiga 1000. I think what the response was, was, yes, you do have 2 meg of chip ram, if you follow the advice in the Amazing Computing article, but you can't get the new Agnus chips to address the memory because the old chips have not got enough legs. So I go and I decide that to add 1.5 meg inside may Amiga, with it's own power supply (so as not to rob the power from dangling df2: and the Allegra card) I will put it on it's own seperate board. Well then I get the new Agnus chip and I realize that I want it to talk to the 2 meg of chip ram I am making... so I make the new board plug into the old chip set sockets and bring all those lines up to the new board. Then I run lines from the new Agnus chips to the same place that the new chip ram is going to go to get decoded (See Amazing Computing's current issue). Now the 2 meg _is_ considered "Chip" memory AND the new Agnus, Paula, and Denise chips can get to all of it. Is this totally in left field? "Boy, that guy Randy sure is a dreamer, no one will ever be able to do the stuff that he wants." Tough! Somebody has to dream! --Randy (but today I go by "Randy Root Canal") Will you listen to that rain! Gee... Ow! my tooth! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Randy Spencer P.O. Box 4542 Berkeley CA 94704 (415)284-4740 C#(415)283-5469 I N F I N I T Y spencer%eris@berkeley.edu Now working for |||||||||||::::... . . spencer@USCVAXQ.bitnet But in no way |||||||||||||||::::.. .. . ....ucbvax!eris!spencer Officially representing ||||||||||||:::::... .. s o f t w a r e -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-