Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!utgpu!water!watnot!watmath!clyde!cbatt!ihnp4!ptsfa!lll-lcc!pyramid!cti!frazier From: frazier@cti.UUCP Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga Subject: Re: Byte A2000 Article Message-ID: <546@cti.cti.UUCP> Date: Mon, 2-Mar-87 12:02:37 EST Article-I.D.: cti.546 Posted: Mon Mar 2 12:02:37 1987 Date-Received: Tue, 3-Mar-87 23:19:08 EST References: <9599@topaz.RUTGERS.EDU> <544@cti.cti.UUCP> <1421@navajo.STANFORD.EDU> Distribution: world Organization: Cornerstone Technology, Inc. Lines: 84 Summary: You essentially missed my point In article <1421@navajo.STANFORD.EDU>, ali@navajo.STANFORD.EDU (Ali Ozer) writes: > In article <544@cti.cti.UUCP> frazier@cti.UUCP (Rick Frazier) writes: > >Oh, you poor, misguided soul! 8-) The article you read may not > >have been YOUR dream, but it's unclear how much of it was the result > >of the Author's dreamworld or "visions". > >CAN YOU SAY "VAPORWARE"?............. I thought you could! 8-> > > Oh, I don't think the Amiga 2000 is vaporware. Since I've first heard > about it, I guess about a month ago, there has been a lot of discussions about > it and at least 3 magazines (Byte, AmigaWorld, and Compute!) have > published articles with pictures about this machine. Look at the Mega STs --- Did 'ya notice the smiley faces? OK, I thought you did..... As you may guess by the summary line above, I believe that you really DID miss the major point of my posting. I'm NOT saying that the A2000 in itself is vaproware, but I AM SAYING THAT NO ONE, and I MEAN NO ONE, should make any MAJOR decisions based upon what they read in the mags..... Just look at the differences in the number os slots (and their usage) that they have talked about in the past month or so.... And as for the "picture", that's no big shake either. I've been with more than a few companies that made announcements with a picture of a "real" machine that was a MODEL. You know, made out of foam-core and wood and plexiglass by a mechanical engineer to show us what it will look like when the real plastic parts come back. I have had publicity releases so munged up by some reporter or editor as to make the content completely opposite of what I intended, though it's not certain whether the problem was that of space in the mag, or just misunderstanding by the media people in question. Reserve your final judgement for AFTER the machine is out in the "real world", and DON'T feel disappointed or blame Commodore if the machine doesn't meet your expectations, which were wholly based upon a magazine's printed version of a product announcement and some rumors heard from various sources. > Also, the article is not a product of the author's "visions." When I first > heard about the Sidecar, back in summer '86 at a BADGE meeting (RJ was the Yeah, I heard about the sidecar too, and I've seen more than one of 'em, but can you really buy one today? Walk into your local store and tell them you want one NOW. Maybe you'll be able to get one, maybe not (I'm not sure if they are really available even now, but if they are, it took WELL over a year after the "announcement" that there would be one, and at least 6 months from the time you were able to see one! If you remember, they allowed the stores to have one for only a day or two for demos only a few months ago.) > Oh, one more point. Take a look at comp.sys.atari.st sometime and read all > messages sent during the past two weeks with the word "Amiga" in them. Almost > all of them are hate letters directed at Atari, sent by current ST owners. > Seems like with the Mega STs Atari is kind of forgetting about the 520 and > 1040 users, and these users are justifiably upset. Even Apple --- most > recent rumors say that the open Mac they'll be announcing on Monday won't > run some (a quarter, maybe?) of the current Mac Plus software. The > machine isn't even multitasking, and they still aren't 100% compatible! > > Ali Ozer, ali@navajo.stanford.edu Notice that what you are basing your response on seems to be the old mac :vs: atari :vs: amiga wars again... I've no particular bone to pick with any of them, and enjoy the A1000 more than the pc's I've worked on. Besides, I don't care enough about the Atari machines to bother to even scan the newsgroup. The real catch, though is your phrase "most recent rumors". Keep in mind when you read ANY of the specifics in the magazines or EVEN in the usenet news groups (gasp!) that there may be misinformation due to any of the following: bias of the reporter; bias of the editor (if one); limited space for the article; lack of technical knowledge for either the reporter or editor; and the manner in which the original release was written. EVEN when they do a "PRODUCT EVALUATION" with a real machine sitting in fromt of them, there is a pretty good chance for the article to end up misinforming us on some (usually MINOR, thank goodness) point, so I guess we shouldn't expect things to be 100% accurate from a product release memo. I DOUBT that any of the misinformation is intentional, what with the way our minds work and all..... To repeat a sentence that I probably should have had in the original posting: Reserve your final judgement for AFTER the machine is out in the "real world", and DON'T feel disappointed or blame Commodore if the machine doesn't meet your expectations, which were wholly based upon a magazine's printed version of a product announcement and some rumors heard from various sources. --rick -- DISCLAIMER: The foregoing is the result of a brain frazzled by the effects of insufficient sleep and a noisy phone line, and in no way reflects the opinion of my employer, friends, or enemies. I'm not even sure I really wrote it. UUCP: {decwrl,pyramid}!sun!cti!frazier DDD: 408-734-8533