Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!utgpu!water!watnot!watmath!clyde!cbatt!ihnp4!ptsfa!lll-lcc!seismo!columbia!rutgers!cbmvax!daveh From: daveh@cbmvax.UUCP Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga Subject: Re: Commodore Show News Report Message-ID: <1478@cbmvax.cbmvax.cbm.UUCP> Date: Mon, 2-Mar-87 12:48:56 EST Article-I.D.: cbmvax.1478 Posted: Mon Mar 2 12:48:56 1987 Date-Received: Wed, 4-Mar-87 19:00:14 EST References: <544@plx.UUCP> Organization: Commodore Technology, West Chester, PA Lines: 57 in article <544@plx.UUCP>, ed@plx.UUCP (Ed Chaban) says: >> Sorry, I think they are going to have to do better than that to >> go after the workstation market. The latest fliers I got from Sun >> indicate that they are now selling the 3/50 in 6-packs for about $3900 > > Gee, someone who knows a little about marketing has finally started reading > comp.sys.amiga. Sorry Doug, a toy company will not become the next SUN. > NeXT and Apple have that market sewed up. My question for CBM is when > are you gonna junk AMIGADOS? NeXT? A company that has yet to produce any product? Already has a market sewn up? Must be some amazing company. And except for Desktop Publishing (which Apple does indeed have a big lead in, over everyone, including Sun), the vast majority of the machines replacing workstations like Suns and Apollos at the low end are currently PC[lones]. People are actually doing various type of electrical and mechanical CAD on these lowly PCs. The main reason that they put up with this is that (1) they've never used a real workstation, so they don't miss the speed of a real workstation, and (2) you need color for anything but the lowest forms of CAD (you can get away with monochrome for schematic capture, where you can use shading as a substitute for color. But stay away from PC layout on anything that doesn't have color). > X-Windows is a MUST. Looks as though INTUITION (like TRIPOS) is bound > for obscurity. I guess NeWS must, then, be similarly targeted. And the Mac's Window/Icon/ Menu interface too. And of course GEM, the weakest of these systems. Are you gonna tell them, or should I? Of course, I'm sure they'll point out that any one of these systems is doing more, on more machines today, than X is. X is certainly more powerful, and big. And so a good thing to use on UNIX workstations that can handle the size. Which is why you get folks like Apollo with their fast 68020 stations in favor of it. But don't force me to use it on the older Apollos; the bit-slice Apollos have speed problems with the minimal Mentor supplied graphic interface. Especially once there's a standard set of thing that run under X, like a standard menuing package, etc. For a long, long time to come there are going to be machines that can't run this great new stuff, and there are going to be a hell of alot more of these machines, in terms of units, than there are machines capable of running X. And most users don't need X. Look at all the folks that are happy with the MacIntosh system of Menus and Icons. I don't think the mere fact that Intuition's menus are much more flexible is going to get alot of Mac users running an Intuition port on the Mac. Though maybe Amiga and Mac users will move to X when then add UNIX capabilities, but the vast majority of Amiga users will be happy with Intuition, and Mac users with their system. > -ed- -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ __ ____ ____ _____ _____ _____ Dave Haynie /// / _ | / __ \ / _ \ / _ \ / _ \ Commodore Technology /// / / | | /_/ | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |\ /// / /__| | ____/ | | | | | | | | | | | | | |\\/// / ____ | / ____/ | | | | | | | | | | | | \\// / / | | | |____ | |_| | | |_| | | |_| | {ihnp4,etc.}!cbmvax!daveh \/ /_/ |_| \______| \_____/ \_____/ \_____/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~