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From: grr@cbmvax.UUCP
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga
Subject: Re: CLtd 20M hard disk
Message-ID: <1547@cbmvax.cbmvax.cbm.UUCP>
Date: Thu, 12-Mar-87 19:02:08 EST
Article-I.D.: cbmvax.1547
Posted: Thu Mar 12 19:02:08 1987
Date-Received: Fri, 13-Mar-87 23:47:41 EST
References: <256@mcdsun.UUCP> <1479@cbmvax.cbmvax.cbm.UUCP> <2758@well.UUCP>
Reply-To: grr@cbmvax.UUCP (George Robbins)
Organization: Commodore Technology, West Chester, PA
Lines: 42

In article <2758@well.UUCP> spg@well.UUCP (Stephen P. Grant) writes:
>
>In article <256@mcdsun.UUCP>, daveh@cbmvax.cbm.UUCP (Dave Haynie) writes:
>
>>                Put your buffers as close to [86 pin] connector as you
>>                possibly can.
>>                You can put one 74F load on each signal.

>>some based on the timing specification of an 8MHz 68000.  I'll bet you that
>>most of the boards that are having trouble are violating some of these
>>design rules.
>> But these rules were written up for a specific reason -- to be followed!
>>If a manufacturer breaks them, all the fast PALs in the world may not help.
>
>Way to go Dave!  How come C-A hasn't come out PUBLICLY and said this?  Many
>people are misinformed about what is or is not allowed and CLTD et al are
>capitalizing on this.  If Cltd. said my design was bad I would certainly
>have set them straight.  Why is C-A silent?  IBM or Apple would not let
>this go by!  As far as I know, there are not currently ANY buffered passthrus
>available.  Everyone is cheating(if this is wrong, please tell me).  I know
>that you are on CIS.  Why did you not cry FOUL! when Cltd. posted that crap
>about "Bug Fixes".

Mostly we aren't saying anything because the whole situation is an inherited
problem that we (West Chester engineering) were not aware of until recently.
Making any comment before we have a chance to dig up the facts, find out what
Amiga may have said, and do some investigation ourselves would not be very
appropriate.

It seems unfortunate that this should become an object of controversy among
otherwise well intententioned hardware developers.  Hopefully everyone is
carefully inspecting their own houses for signs of glassiness between volleys
of stone throwing.

BTW, access to Compu$erve has been spotty lately do to their strange policys.
Commodore is in the process of setting up an effective developers support
system via BIX.  This has led to increased Commodore participation in the
other BIX Amiga interest groups.
-- 
George Robbins - now working for,	uucp: {ihnp4|seismo|rutgers}!cbmvax!grr
but no way officially representing	arpa: cbmvax!grr@seismo.css.GOV
Commodore, Engineering Department	fone: 215-431-9255 (only by moonlite)