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Info-Atari16 Digest   Thursday, March  5, 1987   Volume 87 : Issue 112

This weeks Editor: Bill Westfield

Today's Topics:

                              Re: (none)
                           40 folder limit
                        Re: RS232 Flow Control
                           External ramdisk
           Product review and ording information wanted...
           Re: Questions -- resetting rs232 and set - (nf)
                 Access indicator for RAMDISKs - (nf)
                  How Atari will take over the world
                  Re: Atari postings or lack thereof
                  plugboards for the cartridge port
                           VIP PROFESSIONAL
                    Re: Upgrading a 1040 to 4 Megs

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Date: 3 Mar 87 21:45:56 GMT
From: imagen!atari!neil@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Neil Harris)
Subject: Re: (none)
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

In article <8703010126.AA29928@titan.rice.edu>, bro@RICE.EDU (Douglas Monk)
 writes:
> Subject: Early 520ST Keyboard problem
>
> He went to the store where he bought it ( where they seemed familiar with
> the problem, apparently ) and was told that since it was past the warranty
> period, the only fix available was to get the keyboard replaced at $150.
>
> His question is : isn't there some other way to fix this problem? If not,
> is the store gouging him on the price? Could he get the fix cheaper from
> Atari?

If someone sends an out-of-warrantee ST to Atari, the charge for a complete
replacement of the unit is only $95.  We can't control the prices charged by
service centers, but in this case it seems to be a bit out of line.

The $95 charge includes return shipping, and will get your friend the latest
rev of the ST from our warehouse, including ROMs and modulator.

The address is: Atari Corporation, 390 Caribbean Dr., Door 17, Sunnyvale CA
94088, Attn: Out-of-Warrantee Service.

--->Neil @ Atari    ...{hoptoad, lll-lcc, pyramid, imagen, sun}!atari!neil

BIX: neilharris        CIS: 70007,1135        Delphi: NEILHARRIS
GENIE: nharris        WELL: neil        Atari Corp. BBS 408-745-5308

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Date: 3 Mar 87 15:38:11 GMT
From: mcvax!nikhefh!t68@seismo.css.gov  (Jos Vermaseren)
Subject: 40 folder limit
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu


After some digging in the ROMS I found the address where the table of
active folders is kept. The little job below displays the number of
occupied slots so that the user may know whether he is approaching
the dangerous 40 folder crocodile. This works of course only for TOS in ROM.
The job is only uuencoded with Moshes uuencode.
The number of active slots is quasi random but always increases.

-----------------------------cut here-----------------------------------
begin 644 folders.prg
M8!H   "                              3!\6,12B'  <B=*&&<"4H!1
MR?_X@/P "C( ) !(>@! /SP "4Y!7(]*06<.TGP ,#\!/SP  DY!6(](0M1\
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end
-----------------------------end of job---------------------------------

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Date: 3 Mar 87 19:16:46 GMT
From: mnetor!utgpu!tomwest@seismo.css.gov  (Tom West)
Subject: Re: RS232 Flow Control
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu


  I posted an article a few days ago asking for help about ATARI RS232
buffering.  Since then I have found that the mistakes were all on my side.
My thanks to all who mailed a reply.  Finding out that the interface worked
for others enabled me to find the bug.
--
                Tom West

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Date: 2 Mar 87 05:30:22 GMT
From: mnetor!utzoo!utcsri!asm@seismo.css.gov  (Anees Munshi)
Subject: External ramdisk
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

Hi all.

    For my thesis I needed to use the ST's
cartridge port for output as well as input. So I designed an interface
which uses 2 latches and one PAL (16L8) which fits on a tiny cart
plugged into the cartridge port and converts the cartridge port from a
128Kbyte read only port to a 64Kbyte read/write port.  The writing
process is a two step process (it involves two reads), and allows you
to write 16bit data through the cartridge port.

    I have written software to read and write bytes and words
through this port (in assembler) and have been using this adapter for
nearly 6 months without any problems. (If you are interested in the
design mail me and I'll try to send you the relevent parts of the
documentation of my thesis which I am in the process of writing.)

    Since I didn't need too much speed on this port, I never really
benchmarked it until I read those postings about the hardware
ram-disk.  Just to see if it would be feasible to use this port to
connect to some memory and make a ramdisk, I decided to benchmark it.
The speed I obtained is about 75978 bytes/second for writes and more
than twice as much for reads. Although this is slower than the DMA
port, given that I don't know of any piece of documentation that
describes the DMA port properly, it might be worth putting a RAM-disk
on the cart. port. In fact, it should be pretty easy to put 2K of
battery-backed CMOS ram, some N meg of dynamic ram, and perhaps a
clock-calendar IC. By using a segmentation register, you could access
the DRAM in 48K chunks or so (leaving some addressable space for things you
might think of later).

    So, does anyone have a well commented ramdisk program that I
can modify easily to serve as a driver for the external ram disk?
I would prefer a program in C which I can modify quickly and tune
for efficiency later.

    -anees

    Anees Munshi @ University of Toronto Engineering.

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Date: 1 Mar 87 16:43:28 GMT
From: decvax!cca!mirror!rayssd!brunix!nancy!rjd@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Rob
 DeMillo)
Subject: Product review and ording information wanted...
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

Well, it finally happened...I think the last sane reason to shell out
$300.00 for the Developer's Kit has evaporated. It looks like Kuma has
put out its own version, which, in one of its hyped advertising blurbs,
Kuma claims is superior to the Resource Construction Set... It is called,
of course, K-Resource...

Now, only a few unanswered questions...

    (a) How good is it *really*? Has anyone out there tried
        it? Is it compatable with Lattice C? MWC? Megamax C?
        MCC PASCAL? etc etc etc
    (b) Where can I get it? Does anyone know of a mail-order
        house that carries it?

Thanks in advance...send e-mail to me, and, when I have sufficient
info, I'll post a synopsis to the net....


                     - Rob DeMillo
               Brown University - Planetary Science Group

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    GENie:        To Be Announced

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Date: 28 Feb 87 14:19:00 GMT
From: mcvax!unido!tub!csch@seismo.css.gov
Subject: Re: Questions -- resetting rs232 and set - (nf)
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

I think, it's a problem with the XON/XOFF protocoll. If XON/XOFF is enabled
,,noises'' causing a XOFF-character to be recognized would HANG the RS-232.

One solution: DISABLE this feature (->Rsconf(xbios)). Otherwise you have to
,,patch'' within system-memory (the XOFF-flag) .... but I don't think, that
this is a proper way ... ???

I don't know about such a GEM-call BUT: there's some kind of a VDI-function
that does this --- you can also work with font-attributes using LINE-A
functions (init(line-a)) ...

Clemens

Contact via:
csch@tub.uucp

from the US: ...!pyramid!tub!csch
from Europe: ...!unido!tub!csch
Bitnet:      csch@db0tui6 = tub.bitnet

tel.: +49-30-393-3574
      +49-30-332-4015

tlx.: (west-germany) + 186672 rdt d

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Date: 28 Feb 87 15:02:00 GMT
From: mcvax!unido!tub!csch@seismo.css.gov
Subject: Access indicator for RAMDISKs - (nf)
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

Here's some nice little stuff for all those that wont to have their drive-leds
light up everytime, they access their RAMDISK ...
Read ramd_led.doc !!!!

Clemens

Contact via:
csch@tub.uucp

from the US: ...!pyramid!tub!csch
from Europe: ...!unido!tub!csch
Bitnet:      csch@db0tui6 = tub.bitnet

tel.: +49-30-393-3574
      +49-30-332-4015

tlx.: (west-germany) + 186672 rdt d

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Date:     Wed,  4 Mar 87  10:19:56 EST
From:     Flash%UMASS.BITNET@wiscvm.wisc.edu
Subject:  How Atari will take over the world
To:       Info-Atari16@SU-SCORE.ARPA

Everybody has been flaming left and right at why Atari is keeping such
a low profile these days, yet you forget to look left and right.

1) I believe that Atari was waiting for competition to announce their
   intentions. Now that Amiga has announced their machines, and the
   Mac SE and Mac II are announced, Atari knows what it will be
   fighting.

2) Now Atari can ship the Mega ST happily, knowing it can compete
   with the Mac SE, and announce the 68020 UNIX machine, since it is
   perfect competition with the Mac II.

3) Atari might be quiet here, cause all we do is flame, but if you use
   GENIE, you will find that even Sam Tramiel himself is there to
   answer your questions, and it usually happens overnight!

BTW, the 68020 expansion for the ST will go through the DMA port, so
the rumors that it fit INSIDE a mega st were wrong, according to the
latest info from GENIE.

Anyone see the Mac II last night on TV? 640x480 resolution color...
Sounds VERY familiar with Atari's new resolutions...
at a cheaper price, of course...:)

Rick Flashman                         Flash@UMASS.BITNET
1040 N. Pleasant St. #381             Flash%UMASS.BITNET@WISCVM.WISC.EDU
Amherst, MA  01002                    R-FLASHMAN on GENIE
(413) 549-0173

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Date: 4 Mar 87 00:49:45 GMT
From: trwrb!sansom@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Richard Sansom)
Subject: Re: Atari postings or lack thereof
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

In article <573@atari.UUCP> neil@atari.UUCP (Neil Harris) writes:
>PS: Why do the signatures from some of us (myself and James Turner included)
>begin with two dashes on a line?  Kind of annoying...

I'm not to sure about other news reading programs, but "rn" adds the two
dashes before your signature line.

-Rich

Richard E. Sansom
TRW Electronics & Defense Sector
{decvax,ucbvax,ihnp4}!trwrb!sansom

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Date: 4 Mar 87 17:27:22 GMT
From: sdcc6!sdcc12!st69@sdcsvax.ucsd.edu  (Este Sikstinon)
Subject: plugboards for the cartridge port
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

Does anyone know of any prototyping boards that will plug into the
catridge slot of the ST?  It seems to need a 40-pin card edge with a
center spacing of ~0.08 inches, something which neither Augat or
Vector make.

thanks in advance,

Tom Erbe (uucp: sun!sdcarl!tre, genie: T.ERBE)

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Date: Wed,  4 Mar 87 14:52:43 PST
From: <FATR6@usu.bitnet>
Reply-To: FATR6%USU.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu
Subject: VIP PROFESSIONAL

HELP!!!
I just received the non GEM version of VIP Professional today in the mail.
Mail Order. The disk was trashed. It boots the title screen and the says
'insert key disk'. It can't find the key value it is looking for on my disk.
Is there anyone out there who could run me off a copy if I send my original
to them. The Mail Order outfit says it is VIP's problem and VIP say's the
distributor has to replace it. I don't know about the legality of all this
but I am sick that I paid $100 for a piece of software that won't boot. I am
not asking for a backup or even a copy just the original program I paid for.
By the way VIP is hiding from Lotus if you have tried to get ahold of them.
Thanks
Jon Jensen
FATR6@USU
1-801-750-2440

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Date: 4 Mar 87 12:53:38 GMT
From: imagen!turner@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (D'arc Angel)
Subject: Re: Upgrading a 1040 to 4 Megs
To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu

in article <2337@usceast.UUCP>, tech@usceast.UUCP (Bill Wood) says:
+---------------------------------------------------------
+
+ In article <1315@husc6.UUCP> grunau_b@husc4.UUCP (Justin J. M. Grunau) writes
+++In article <2425@sunybcs.UUCP> leo@gort.UUCP (Leo Wilson) writes:
++... [he quotes a particularly virulent recent article] ...
+     Well of course, DRI had an engineer that was working on a MS-DOS
+ clone and they have GEM. At this point I have to say that personally...
+ I am MAD AS HELL AT DIGITAL RESEARCH!!! Every problem I have seen with
+ the ST can be traced directly back to good ol' DRI and their buggy
+ operating system. Why did they bother with non preemptive multi tasking?
+ Where was their head when they built the memory allocator? Don't they
+ know how to say 'Hard DISK' 40 folders?!? You mean someone might want to
+ have more than 40 folders? They must have had a bunch of virgins working
+ for them. Can you believe it? They didn't even understand priority
+ levels as evedenced by the fact that they move the SYSTEM stack with
+ some of the GEMDOS calls.
+---------------------------------------------------------

bless you for stating the truth, after atari got the code from DRI
they spent many hours rewriting the code just to get it to 'work' as
well as it does today. DRI is one of the more brain-damaged OS
companies that i know of. It's true that TOS was put together by DRI
in a hurry but that is still no excuse for the poor design work
underlying it. Almost all (if not all) of the problems that we have
with TOS are directly tracable back to them, I too am in favor of
burying TOS and trying again with the EST (MINIX, SVR2 ??? anything
but TOS)

C'est la vie, C'est la guerre, C'est la pomme de terre
Mail:    Imagen Corp. 2650 San Tomas Expressway Santa Clara, CA 95052-8101
UUCP:    ...{decvax,ucbvax}!decwrl!imagen!turner      AT&T: (408) 986-9400

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