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From: nee@sdics.UUCP
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc,comp.sys.mac
Subject: Re: Apple/ the look and feel of toys
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Date: Sat, 21-Feb-87 11:42:32 EST
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Posted: Sat Feb 21 11:42:32 1987
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Reply-To: nee@sdics.UUCP (Clydene Nee)
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Tim Holden writes

 >The fact that the authors would attempt to charge Apple customers
 >$600 for something which is nearly free to the entire rest of the
 >world indicates that they have made a far  more damning judgement
 >of   the   Apple   milieu,   including   the  relative  level  of
 >sophistication of the typical  Apple CUSTOMER  than I  ever have.
 >This isn't terribly insulting to ME, however.

While one the subject of sophistication.  Why not discuss the corporate scare
tactics a certain *large* computer corporation has used on many naive company
managers to buy their product.  There are many well known stories of managers
being told if they didn't buy XXX computer that they would lose their jobs.
Ther's a lot to be said about the typical XXX customer.

Also, I know of one instance where the salesman sold company Z a computer
telling them that it would take care of all of their needs, however, forgot to
mention anything about the actual software needed to run the machine.

Recently a friend of mine purchased a computer.  They were told that the other
computer companys around couldn't be trusted to be around in 5 years, and they
they would have a hard time getting the machine serviced if it broke down.

> When Joe  Businessman in  New York  City plunks down $3000 of his
> hard-earned cash  for a  small computer,  he doesn't  want to see
 >plastic, 5"  screens, toy  keyboards, cutsie logos, machines with
 >one floppy drive, or  EXTERNAL  floppy  drives  or  anything like
 >that.   My first  reaction to the Lisa was disbelief;  I couldn't
 >believe anyone would even try to sell anything  which LOOKED like
 >that in  America.   Maybe in Borneo or the Australian outback....
 >The Mac, unfortunately, doesn't  qualify  as  evidence  that they
 >learned anything from the Lisa.

Yes, I think that everyone can agree that the Lisa was a big disappointment.
It is a much better machine than some other things that I have been forced to
use in the past.  Lets talk about the IBM System 36, where the power buttons
are exactly at knee level on the machine. I would like to know who designed
this feature.  And all the screen driven menus. Yes, and how about the manuals
on operation. I have never seen so much poorly written technical documentation.
And so much of it....And the training classes on it were laughable.
Yes, both the word processor and I loved the feature on the keyboard where you
would have to lift you hand off of the home keys to hit the return key.
However, if we want to talk about jokes lets discuss the PC jr.

I know for a fact that the engineering division one of a big computer
company uses A MAC for all their presentation graphics, and the office 
manager uses it for all of their record keeping.


More Joe/Jane Business people are choosing the MAC because it is not a
learning intenstive machine.  If you where to look at the learning curves for
the MAC and related software verses IBM products I'm sure that you would see
that the average person would pick up the MAC faster than the IBM.  And time
is money.

Clydene Nee