Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!rutgers!ucla-cs!srt From: srt@ucla-cs.UUCP Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf-lovers,talk.origins,sci.bio Subject: Re: Nonagression in James P. Hogan's Giants trilogy Message-ID: <4454@curly.ucla-cs.UCLA.EDU> Date: Sun, 15-Feb-87 20:44:58 EST Article-I.D.: curly.4454 Posted: Sun Feb 15 20:44:58 1987 Date-Received: Mon, 16-Feb-87 04:01:23 EST References: <1151@husc2.UUCP> <305@netxcom.UUCP> <1170@husc2.UUCP> <1371@loral.UUCP> Sender: root@ucla-cs.UCLA.EDU Reply-To: srt@CS.UCLA.EDU (Scott "Dr. Pain" Turner) Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department Lines: 19 Keywords: predation (absence of), aggression (selection for) Xref: watmath rec.arts.sf-lovers:1544 talk.origins:603 sci.bio:124 In article <1371@loral.UUCP> dml@loral.UUCP (Dave Lewis) writes: >I can't see any way for these >critters to resolve the problem of there's-resources-for-N-animals-and-N+5- >animals-want-to-use-them, but that may be more a matter of limited vision >than fundamental impossibility. Anybody have ideas? Remember, physical >violence is Right Out. Not necessarily. I haven't read the Hogan books, but suppose you have two tribes of creatures competing. Tribe A sends a kamikaze into Tribe B. He runs around, kicking, fighting, biting, etc., trying to do as many death-dealing injuries as possible before he dies. If he can trade even 2 for 1 it works out. Keep in mind that the physical changes Hogan postulates would no doubt result in a different psychology that might well make this reasonable. Scott R. Turner ARPA: srt@ucla UUCP: ...!{cepu,ihnp4,trwspp,ucbvax}!ucla-cs!srt DRAGNET: ...!{channing,streisand,joe-friday}!srt@dragnet-relay.arpa