Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!utgpu!water!watnot!watmath!clyde!ima!haddock!johnc From: johnc@haddock.UUCP Newsgroups: comp.org.usenix,news.groups Subject: Re: Request for special USENIX Meeting Message-ID: <431@haddock.UUCP> Date: Wed, 8-Apr-87 13:25:44 EST Article-I.D.: haddock.431 Posted: Wed Apr 8 13:25:44 1987 Date-Received: Sat, 11-Apr-87 07:19:52 EST References: <1486@hplabsc.UUCP> <304@desint.UUCP> <10009@sri-spam.istc.sri.com> Reply-To: johnc@haddock.ISC.COM.UUCP (John Chambers) Distribution: world Organization: Interactive Systems, Boston Lines: 48 Xref: utgpu comp.org.usenix:111 news.groups:621 >> > In the past >> > few years, however, a so-called Backbone Cabal has arisen that has >> > more-or-less taken over the network and imposed their own ideas and >> > beliefs upon it. > >> Wrong again. It was by vote. > >However, I don't recall any votes that put the "backbone cabal" in >charge. Nor do I recall any voting for general usenet policy There weren't any, because it's not feasible. The "backbone cabal" doesn't have nearly the power that many people think. Why not? Well, consider that this company has set up its own internal distribution with a bunch of newsgroups that only go to our own sites. The cabal has no control over them whatsoever; they can't even find out that these newsgroups exist unless they can get into the distribution. Any two or more sites in the world can do the same thing. Just hook up some sort of link that runs a file-transfer package like uucp or kermit or TCP/IP or whatever, explain to usenet how to use it, run "inews -C", and you're off and running. The usenet installation guide explains it all. Lots of organizations have their own usenet subset. Last year, I helped another company do the same sort of thing. This is one of the nice things about usenet. It's possible for a set of "backbone" sites to offer themselves up as a public service (and perhaps charge for the service). They can be as autocratic as they wish on traffic that passes through their machines. But there's no way they can be dictators. You want a "forbidden" newsgroup? Fine; make a few connections, and create your own distribution. The manual tells you how to do it, and the Cabal can't stop you. Personally, I think the Backbone Cabal is doing the world a service. They are under no obligation to run their machines to satisfy anyone but themselves, but they are offering to forward your mail (and my rantings here) for "free". All they get out of it is a lot of good publicity. Sometimes I wonder why they do it at all. As for net.rec.drugs, whaddaya wanna bet that the suppliers of illicit drugs are using email to coordinate their business? They probably have their own mob.rec.drugs newsgroup up and running. Why don't you ask your local dealer about it? Maybe you can get on the distribution. -- John Chambers (617)247-1155 <...!ima!johnc> [The above opinions are my own; for a small fee, they can be yours, too.]