Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!utgpu!water!watnot!watmath!clyde!cbatt!ucbvax!jade!eris!mwm From: mwm@eris.UUCP Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga Subject: Re: Jtime.arc Posting [1 of 2] Message-ID: <3047@jade.BERKELEY.EDU> Date: Sat, 4-Apr-87 22:56:53 EST Article-I.D.: jade.3047 Posted: Sat Apr 4 22:56:53 1987 Date-Received: Sun, 5-Apr-87 22:46:30 EST References: <10423@topaz.RUTGERS.EDU> <520@madvax.UUCP> <479@oscvax.UUCP> <1957@hoptoad.uucp> Sender: usenet@jade.BERKELEY.EDU Reply-To: mwm@eris.BERKELEY.EDU (Mike (My watch has windows) Meyer) Organization: Missionaria Phonibalonica Lines: 57 >Yes, but the main point, for me at least, isn't whether or not I'm losing >efficiency in the Unix transmission, but, rather, in the transmission from >my Amiga to/from the Unix system where the stuff is living. I'd rather >not have to pay any more connect charges or phone bills than I have to; >thus, I will continue to say "hurray for ARC". In that case, try arc'ing it on the Unix end. Or tar it, compress the tar file, transmit that, and uncompress & detar it on the Amiga. Of course, if a saving yourself a little extra work is more important than saving gnu some money, then go ahead and do it your way. >BTW, if an arc'd then compressed file is bigger than the original, and >the bigger file is what is transmitted, then the software is broken. Any >non-brain-damaged compression routine will not compress if the compression >results in a larger file than the original... The nice thing about compress/uncompress is that they will work on the fly. I haven't looked at news compression, but the compressed notesfile transmission I did shipped the output from compress straight down the phone line, and didn't look at the output file. Of course, I assumed that people were going to behave reasonably, and not try running their own compression/encoding schemes, so that not saving the compressed data seemed like a good idea. >You can find it on Fish 40, but unfortunately that is Arc.16 and they are >up to about Arc.23. Everyone should really have Arc. Considering that Arc is shareware, this sounds like a plug to me. >I was going to do this, but the Arc file of JTime has about 5 or 6 files >in it, and I didn't feel like uploading each one, uudecoding all the >binaries, and then sharring the thing. One upload of the Arc and I was >done. Arc runs on Unix, so you could've uploaded the arced file, de'arced it, uuencoded & shared the results. Better yet, there's a shar facility on Fish disk 28 and a uuencode facility on Fish disk 53, so you could uuencode and shar it on your amiga, and then upload that. >I am sure the Arc posting was shorter then the equivalent shar posting would >have been... Yeah, the posting was. But what was shipped over the phone lines probably _wasn't_. Being out of disk space can be dealt with in a number of ways that don't involve immediate out-of-pocket expenses, whereas the ABUSENET phone costs are _always_ oop expenses. The bean counters probably won't even notice the first, but will certainly notice the second. As a concrete example, nobody has dropped of the net because netnews eats to much space. Several backbones have dropped signifcant portions of the news because of rising phone bills.