Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!mnetor!seismo!think!ames!ucbcad!ucbvax!WISDOM.BITNET!MAILER-DAEMON From: MAILER-DAEMON@WISDOM.BITNET (Mail Delivery Subsystem) Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st Subject: Returned mail: User unknown Message-ID: <8703192122.AA05595@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> Date: Wed, 18-Mar-87 19:36:24 EST Article-I.D.: ucbvax.8703192122.AA05595 Posted: Wed Mar 18 19:36:24 1987 Date-Received: Sat, 21-Mar-87 06:42:17 EST Sender: daemon@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Distribution: world Organization: The ARPA Internet Lines: 401 ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 550 ALEN@WISDOM.BITNET... User unknown ----- Unsent message follows ----- Received: from finhutc.bitnet by wisdom.bitnet; Thu, 19 Mar 87 23:14:14 -0200 Received: by FINHUTC (Mailer X1.23b) id 0442; Thu, 19 Mar 87 22:29:02 FIN Date: Wed 18 Mar 87 16:36:24 PST Reply-To: Info-Atari16@Score.Stanford.edu Sender: "Atari ST users forum (INFO-ATARI16)" Comments: To: "Distribution List: ;" From: Info-Atari16 Digest Subject: Info-Atari16 Digest V87 #133 To: Alen Goldberg Info-Atari16 Digest Wednesday, March 18, 1987 Volume 87 : Issue 133 This weeks Editor: Bill Westfield Today's Topics: Re: 520 in Canada Re: News From Hannover Messe Re: Vertical Blank Interrupts Windows laser printer Supervisor mode Re: Subject: help! (and warning) re crab - (nf) Re: where are the other groups? Upgrades Scientific Wordprocessing ? Who needs an upgrade? Re: CTS/RTS Flow Control Problems Re: Magic Sac Re: Adding another Hard Drive?? Re: Bad monitor, Bad service B. Dalton bags the ST ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 14 Mar 87 19:30:52 GMT From: lorraine@tcgould.tn.cornell.edu (Peter Lorraine) Subject: Re: 520 in Canada To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu The object that looks like a 1040 but is marked 520 is a 520stfm. This is, according to a store in Toronto, a 520 with an integral ssdd drive and rf modulator. It looks like a very nice object for those considering a 520 (although I would have preferred a double sided drive inside). The store owner did not describe this as a replacement for the 520. He presumed it wasn't sold in the USA because of FCC rules. The object is definitely a 520 with 512K ram and an rf-modulator. By the way, could someone tell me a source for unix windows for the st and what sort of windows the most recent version supports? Thank you. peter lorraine (lorraine@batcomputer.tn.cornell.edu) ------------------------------ Date: 15 Mar 87 02:02:15 GMT From: labrea!rocky!ali@decwrl.dec.com (Ali Ozer) Subject: Re: News From Hannover Messe To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu In article <4378@utah-cs.UUCP> shebs@utah-cs.UUCP (Stanley Shebs) writes: >Is the blitter going to be invisible if you don't want to use it, so for >instance Sublogic's Flight Simulator won't run 5 times faster (can you >say "Cessna F-16"? :-) :-) ) I believe that the SubLogic people do everything via the 68000, and ignore any other hardware features. (For instance, they do not use the blitter on the Amiga.) This probably makes it easier for them to port it to all the 68000 machines, and this is probably why the user interface that comes with the Amiga and Atari versions are similar and does not follow the machine's own user-interface standards. (I'm not sure if this is correct at all, but this is what I heard from someone who was not sure himself...) Ali Ozer, ali@rocky.stanford.edu ------------------------------ Date: 14 Mar 87 16:33:44 GMT From: imagen!atari!dyer@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Landon Dyer) Subject: Re: Vertical Blank Interrupts To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu In article <741@eneevax.UUCP>, iarocci@eneevax.UUCP (John Iarocci) writes: > Then, at some point, the system randomly > writes its own vector right on top of mine. Great! > > Well, I set the program to start checking for an empty slot with the second > entry in the vbi queue next. Now, my handler survives the boot process. Un- > fortunately, now I can no longer run Degas Elite! The first vblqueue slot is reserved for the VDI, and the documentation says so. If an application is hard-coded to use (say) the 2nd slot, it is doing things wrong, wrong, wrong. You can always intercept the interrupt itself. You will have to do your own mutual exclusion (trivial). -- -Landon Dyer, Atari Corp. {sun,lll-lcc,imagen}!atari!dyer The views expressed here do not not necessarily reflect those of Atari Corp. Segments are for worms. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Mar 87 20:55 EST From: KIMMEL%ecs.umass.edu@RELAY.CS.NET To: Info-Atari16@SCORE.STANFORD.EDU Subject: Windows X-VMS-To: CSNET%"Info-Atari16@Score.Stanford.edu" I am writing a desk accessory in Megamax C which puts a window on the desktop. My question is: How can I tell, when I am not getting a redraw message, which parts of the window are covered by other windows, when it's not the top window? I would like to update it, even when it is covered by other windows. Thanks in advance. -Matt Kimmel KIMMEL@UMAECS.BITNET KIMMEL%UMAECS.BITNET@WISCVM.ARPA KIMMEL@ECS.UMASS.EDU ------------------------------ Date: 14 Mar 87 15:18:40 GMT From: mcvax!nikhefh!t68@seismo.css.gov (Jos Vermaseren) Subject: laser printer To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu At Hannover I saw the Atari laser printer. It was announced as a 8 pages per minute printer. In a report from the computer show in Vegas I read something about 30 or more pages per minute. Was the person who mentioned this mistaken, or is this not the same printer ? ...Alex ??.... T68@NIKHEFH.UUCP ( Jos Vermaseren ) ------------------------------ Date: 14 Mar 87 15:05:28 GMT From: mcvax!nikhefh!t68@seismo.css.gov (Jos Vermaseren) Subject: Supervisor mode To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu Does there exist a software way of changing the memoryrange that is protected by the supervisor mode. None of the litterature that I have seem mensions anything about it. ( It would be possible to make a much faster file handling system if some arrays ( like a FAT ) could be protected against users ). Jos Vermaseren T68@NIKHEFH.UUCP ( The rest of the path depends on where you are ). ------------------------------ Date: 13 Mar 87 10:09:00 GMT From: mcvax!unido!uklirb!mdoerr@seismo.css.gov Subject: Re: Subject: help! (and warning) re crab - (nf) To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu I once experienced similair problems with an auto-booting application installed on my HD. I could delete the offending files from the AUTO-folder, i.e. without reformatting, by booting a disk-based RAM-Version of TOS with the HD-driver installed in the AUTO-folder of that disk. The driver complained about possible loss of data and that it refuses to work with a RAM-TOS. Nevertheless all went fine: I could open drive C: and delete the program. Hope this helps, Michael Doerr. (...!seismo!unido!uklirb!mdoerr) ------------------------------ Date: 13 Mar 87 19:10:26 GMT From: mnetor!utzoo!utgpu!water!ljdickey@seismo.css.gov Subject: Re: where are the other groups? To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu In article <2441@dalcs.UUCP>, silvert@dalcs.UUCP (Bill Silvert) writes: > When these groups get going, please post word here so that we all know. Nothing has arrived here either. Has Turner disappeared? -- L. J. Dickey, Faculty of Mathematics, University of Waterloo. ljdickey@water.UUCP ljdickey%water@waterloo.CSNET ljdickey%water%waterloo.csnet@csnet-relay.ARPA ljdickey@water.BITNET UUCP: ...!watmath!water!ljdickey ------------------------------ Date: 14 Mar 87 15:14:50 GMT From: mcvax!nikhefh!t68@seismo.css.gov (Jos Vermaseren) Subject: Upgrades To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu Today I saw a 2.5 Megabyte 260ST. The original 260 was expanded with a board that was put in without soldering and that contained the extra 2 Mbytes. I was told there were definitely less than 64 chips ( probably about 16 --> megabits ) and that the package costs around DM1200 ( about $600 ). It comes from a company named Weide Electronics. ( I don't know the address yet ). I was also told that you can only upgrade if you don't have a 1 Mbyte Atari or you will have to remove one memory bank. Looks like maybe not everybody will have to buy the MegaST immediately, although I must admit that the MegaST looks very pretty. The one at Hannover was equipped with a blitter chip and it was said that that is the standard. T68@NIKHEFH.UUCP ( Jos Vermaseren ) ------------------------------ Date: 14 Mar 87 21:23:06 GMT From: mcnc!duke!dukempd!hgr@seismo.css.gov (Hugh Robinson) Subject: Scientific Wordprocessing ? To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu Toward an interest in buying an Atari for scientific wordprocessing with laser printer hard copy, what software is available now? How about Greek fonts, sub/superscripts, equation writers, previewers for TeX, what-you-see-is what-you-get for equations and figures, can figures and text be mixed alongside each other, ...? Thanks for any comments and help. Hugh Robinson --Physics Dept.,Duke Univ., Durham, NC 27706: (919)-684-8226 hgr@dukempd or ...!mcnc!duke!dukempd!hgr ------------------------------ Date: 13 Mar 87 17:45:19 GMT From: mnetor!utzoo!utgpu!water!watnot!watdragon!daford@seismo.css.gov Subject: Who needs an upgrade? To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu I really don't see the problem with hardware upgrades. Its seems that the current price trend of UNIX boxes is down, down, down. In BYTE there is an ad for a portable BSD 4.2 system that has all the software anyone could want; the price, $5995US (including hard drive). The price is dropping on real machines, Atari knows this and is trying to catch-up with their 68020 box. For me, the choice is simple. My next computer will be a real machine, meaning it will run some flavor of UNIX. I doubt that I will purchase it from ATARI. Every time I go to create a new folder, I remember that I already have 39 of them and decide that I don't really need it. What surprises await me in their 68020 box? Sorry Jack, I want to drive a Ferrari too so I'm going to be very careful with my money and "invest" it in a machine/company I can count on. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Dan Ford Daniel A. Ford daford@watdragon.uucp CS Department daford%watdragon@waterloo.csnet U. of Waterloo daford%watdragon%waterloo.csnet@csnet-relay.arpa ------------------------------ Date: 13 Mar 87 14:28:53 GMT From: mnetor!utzoo!utgpu!water!watnot!watmath!mks!wheels@seismo.css.gov Subject: Re: CTS/RTS Flow Control Problems To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu In article <25784@rochester.ARPA>, stuart@rochester.ARPA (Stuart Friedberg) writes: > The chips that handle the RS-232C interfaces treat these > signals as EDGE-TRIGGERED. I remember reading that, I think in the Abacus book, but then I also heard that was only in the early versions and had been changed for TOS in ROM. > The Avatex (and obviously the US Robotics) > modem asserts CTS as a CONTINUOUS signal until its buffering fills up > (because the ST is sending characters faster than the modem can ship > them over the phone line). Now just a second. As far as I know, none of these modems has buffering. If the ST is sending at 1200 bps, and the modem is sending to the phone line at 1200 bps, why should there be? Ditto for 2400 bps. > It does not flicker or toggle CTS for every > character. This is a legitimate RS-232C behavior, I believe. It is the only legitimate RS-232C behaviour. -- Gerry Wheeler {seismo,decvax,ihnp4}!watmath!mks!wheels Mortice Kern Systems Inc. ------------------------------ Date: 15 Mar 87 01:33:43 GMT From: ihnp4!alberta!calgary!stone@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Glen Stone) Subject: Re: Magic Sac To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu I got UW (the Sun window terminal software) to run under Magic Sac. I yet to get my hands on UW for the ST. Does anyone know where I can get it? Glen Stone (!alberta!calgary!stone) ------------------------------ Date: 14 Mar 87 21:50:49 GMT From: ihnp4!alberta!ubc-vision!fornax!chapman@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (John Chapman) Subject: Re: Adding another Hard Drive?? To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu > > I dove into a Atari hard drive last night and started with my usual play > tactics. It seems that the Adaptek controller will support 2 hard disk > drives. The current software does not want to see the second drive. > (No, I didn't really expect it to.) (:>) Is there a patch that I can do > to the handler to enable the second drive? Neil?? Alex?? It would be neat > to add a second drive and power supply and have more storage! > The Berkeley Microsystems (Beckemeyer) board set and software supports two drives. Since they use the same interface and scsi controller as Atari I would guess that their driver would let you have two drives on your Atari system. ------------------------------ Date: 14 Mar 87 22:08:23 GMT From: cbatt!osu-eddie!osupyr!akw@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (FarOff MicroDesigns) Subject: Re: Bad monitor, Bad service To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu In article <1987Mar13.141548.24430@gpu.utcs.toronto.edu> pete@gpu.utcs.toronto.edu (Peter Santangeli) writes: > My monitor developped a glitch a little while ago that takes the form >of the image shifting left to right or right to left at random interval and >random distances. The distance is usually less thatn 5 mm and the entire image >usually shifts, though occasionally I also notice horizontal spikes and wave- >ering. Peter: take a deep breath and relax. That way you will live longer! Seriously though, this is not meant as a flame or even a small spark...just a beacon of possible help. My friend here in the dorm had a similar problem. He took his SM124 back to the Atari dealer who promptly gave him a replacement (EXCELLENT return policy here in Columbus), brought home his new monitor and had similar problems again. Given, dormitories probably do not measure up to national electrical standards and given the RF interference we have here (we are sitting in between three or four TV station transmitters and as many FM radio trans- mitters) but when he moved his power supplies and disk drive *away* from the monitor most of the problems cleared up. Try this and try to plug your system in somewhere else in the house. Otherwise, there could be a problem with your system. | Andy Weaver --+-- akw@osupyr.UUCP | The Ohio State University | Proverbs 25.25 1774 College Rd Cols, OH 43210 ------------------------------ Date: 13 Mar 87 21:51:31 GMT From: nbires!isis!onecom!wldrdg!tony@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Tony Andrews) Subject: B. Dalton bags the ST To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu The local B. Dalton bookstore here in Boulder has stopped carrying ST software. They never did carry very much of a selection, and never got any STs in the store to demo stuff with. In spite of that, I tried to encourage them by buying ST software there whenever possible. With their limited selection and lack of demo machines, they sure didn't give the ST much of a chance. Question to Atari: Are there any other major retailers carrying or planning to carry ST software? Tony Andrews Wildridge Consulting, Inc. Boulder, CO ...!ihnp4!onecom!wldrdg!tony ------------------------------ End of Info-Atari16 Digest ************************** -------