Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!mnetor!seismo!rutgers!sri-spam!ames!ucbcad!ucbvax!WISDOM.BITNET!MAILER-DAEMON From: MAILER-DAEMON@WISDOM.BITNET (Mail Delivery Subsystem) Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st Subject: Returned mail: User unknown Message-ID: <8703192225.AA06872@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> Date: Wed, 18-Mar-87 14:03:02 EST Article-I.D.: ucbvax.8703192225.AA06872 Posted: Wed Mar 18 14:03:02 1987 Date-Received: Sat, 21-Mar-87 06:53:44 EST Sender: daemon@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Distribution: world Organization: The ARPA Internet Lines: 475 ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 550 ALEN@WISDOM.BITNET... User unknown ----- Unsent message follows ----- Received: from finhutc.bitnet by wisdom.bitnet; Fri, 20 Mar 87 00:16:50 -0200 Received: by FINHUTC (Mailer X1.23b) id 0913; Thu, 19 Mar 87 22:44:15 FIN Date: Wed 18 Mar 87 11:03:02 PST Reply-To: Info-Atari16@Score.Stanford.edu Sender: "Atari ST users forum (INFO-ATARI16)" Comments: To: "Distribution List: ;" From: Info-Atari16 Digest Subject: Info-Atari16 Digest V87 #130 To: Alen Goldberg Info-Atari16 Digest Wednesday, March 18, 1987 Volume 87 : Issue 130 This weeks Editor: Bill Westfield Today's Topics: STarter Kit dissolved Hippo video digitizer UUCODE desk accessory ordering info 520 in Canada Request for propaganda The new USENET groups Re: Re: RAMD_LED - (nf) Re: moving across the ocean Re: News From Hannover Messe Re: clearing the screen Re: Two questions on ST add-{o|i}ns Re: News From Hannover Messe Re: Adding another Hard Drive?? Re: News From Hannover Messe Re: Blit/ROM upgrades ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 12 Mar 87 13:35:00 GMT From: ihnp4!inuxc!iuvax!franco@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU Subject: STarter Kit dissolved To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu Now that there are formal ways to obtain PD software for the ST (by means of Turner, Demillo etc...) the need for the STarter Kit has dissolved. Therefore, effective immediately, the Bloomington ST users will no longer make copies of the STarter Kit available (In three days the STarter Kit will really be dissolved as I will reclaim the disks containing it at that time). Over 200 copies of different versions of the STarter Kit were mailed out and many of these were duplicated and redistributed. The operation went very smoothly - nearly everyone followed instructions to a T and sent the correct amount of postage or more and everyone formatted their disks properly once that request was made. Thank you! ------------------------------ Date: 13 Mar 87 13:47:03 GMT From: kodak!ektools!bruce@CS.ROCHESTER.EDU (Bruce D. Nelson ) Subject: Hippo video digitizer To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu I have a HippoVision video digitizer recently purchased at my user's group auction. All over the package, it states it works on b&w or color monitors. (I mean the program displays on a color or b&w system.) So far it works on a color system (via the modulator output), but all I get on the b&w monitor is a bunch of vertical bars of different densities. Does anyone out there have any experience with the HippoVision? I can use it via the modulator to my color tv, but I'd rather use the b&w monitor. Is there any company that took over Hippo's support or knows anything about their products? Bruce D. Nelson, Sr. Appl. Analyst: Software Maintenance, Production Systems EASTMAN KODAK COMPANY, 901 Elmgrove Rd., Rochester, NY 14650, 716 726-7890 UUCP: {allegra, seismo}!rochester!kodak!ektools!bruce ARPA: kodak!ektools!bruce@rochester.ARPA ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Mar 87 01:01:42 EST From: Michael DeCorte To: INFO-ATARI16@SU-SCORE.ARPA >>...Is there a >> program to check the drive speeds for the ST, and if so how do you adjust an >> incorrect speed? >> > There is a public domain program, although I haven't personally seen it, > that does this. One thing to remember, though, is that you can't adjust > the drive speed on ST drives the same way you can on 8 bit drives. > (There's apparently no easily adjusted pot, the way there was on 810's). I wrote a little program to check disk speeds a while back. It is on BIX. If anyone want's it, I will send it to you. The reason I wrote it was I was interested if I could add another sector/track. I also promised to make a good disk cache back then. Well it is getting done very slowly (I have 3 jobs and an 18 hour class load). michael decorte l40a@clutx.bitnet p.s. I am very impressed in the recent flux of support from atari on the net and promises of a 68020 box, blitter and roms but I will still not be able to recommend the ST to people until I find out that the roms have been fixed. (40 folder limit is at the top of the list for me) :-( ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Mar 87 12:43 EST From: KIMMEL%ecs.umass.edu@RELAY.CS.NET To: Info-Atari16@SCORE.STANFORD.EDU Subject: UUCODE desk accessory ordering info X-VMS-To: CSNET%"Info-Atari16@Score.Stanford.edu" I have written a desk accessory called UUCODE. It allows you to UUENCODE or UUDECODE a file in any GEM application. In addition, it will add 'u's to the end of each data line as it encodes, to prevent truncation of trailing spaces, and adds spaces to "short lines" as it decodes. It also allows you to place the output files from both UUENCODE and UUDECODE in any directory or disk you want. Full documentation, along with source code and the accessory, is included in the distribution ARC file. If you'd like a UUENCODED copy sent to you, send me mail to any of the addresses below. -Matt Kimmel, BITNet: KIMMEL@UMAECS.BITNET ARPANet: KIMMEL%UMAECS.BITNET@WISCVM.ARPA Other: KIMMEL@ECS.UMASS.EDU CSNet: KIMMEL@UMASS-ECS.CSNET (I'm not sure if this works) ------------------------------ Date: 13 Mar 87 04:18:40 GMT From: fluke!ssc-vax!benoni@BEAVER.CS.WASHINGTON.EDU (Charles L Ditzel) Subject: 520 in Canada To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu Just an observation : On a recent trip to Vancouver, BC I dropped by a store that was selling Atari ST (i think it was A&B Sound in the downtown area). They were selling a very odd creature : A 1040 ST Package *marked* 520 ST on the exterior. It came with a single sided internal drive and monitor. The salesmen claimed that Atari 520 ST had sold out and as a fix...Atari had come up with the above solution. I was fascinated. Is this some future migration...? it makes sense to me. ------------------------------ Date: 13 Mar 87 04:05:19 GMT From: trwrb!wiley!bob@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Bob Amstadt) Subject: Request for propaganda To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu I'm currently considering purchasing a "home" computer. Actually, I'm trying to decide between an ST and an Amiga (forgive me). I've already done some looking into the differences, but I'm afraid that I'm a little behind the times. I was hoping that someone could answer some questions for me: 1. Has Atari upgraded their operating system to allow some form of multitasking? If not does someone else supply a multitasking OS? What about MINIX? 2. Who retails the ST line in the Redondo Beach (LA) area? 3. Who supplies what hard disks for the ST? 4. Does X Windows run on the ST? 5. Does GNU emacs or a micro emacs run on the ST? Thanks for your patience. Bob Amstadt trwrb.uucp!wiley!bob csvax.caltech.edu!wiley!bob bob@wiley.uucp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Mar 87 14:52 EST From: KIMMEL%ecs.umass.edu@RELAY.CS.NET To: Info-Atari16@SCORE.STANFORD.EDU Subject: The new USENET groups X-VMS-To: CSNET%"Info-Atari16@Score.Stanford.edu" Are there any plans to start a mirrored group, perhaps similar to the ARPANet's Unix-Sources, to distribute the postings on the new moderated UUCP Atari ST mod.sources-type groups? I feel like I'm missing out, not being on Usenet. If nobody's considered this, I hereby present it as an idea. -Matt Kimmel, KIMMEL@UMAECS.BITNET KIMMEL%UMAECS.BITNET@WISCVM.ARPA KIMMEL@ECS.UMASS.EDU ------------------------------ Date: 10 Mar 87 21:44:00 GMT From: mcvax!unido!tub!csch@seismo.css.gov Subject: Re: Re: RAMD_LED - (nf) To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu As you know, I wrote that little stuff --- On the STs we're using here it works correctly, but I also heard about this problem. I'm going to fix it !!! OK ??? Any suggestions and help welcome ! Clemens Schrimpe ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Contact via: csch@tub.uucp from the US: ...!pyramid!tub!csch from Europe: ...!unido!tub!csch Bitnet: csch@db0tui6 = tub.bitnet tel.: +49-30-393-3574 +49-30-332-4015 tlx.: (west-germany) + 186672 rdt d ------------------------------ Date: 13 Mar 87 21:29:15 GMT From: imagen!atari!leavens@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Alex Leavens) Subject: Re: moving across the ocean To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu in article <258@nikhefh.UUCP>, t02@nikhefh.UUCP (Don Petcher) says: > > > Presently, I live in Amsterdam, but will be moving back to the U.S. soon. > Has anyone had experience using a European Atari in the U.S. > (with simple step up transformers) or vice versa? If so please let me > know how it works. I believe that you're going to run into trouble with US Customs, since I think European ST's haven't passed FCC shielding requirments. --alex @ Atari BIX:alexl. GEnie: ALEXLEAVENS AtariCorp: 408-745-2006 "How can you be in two places at once when you're not anywhere at all." ------------------------------ Date: 13 Mar 87 21:40:21 GMT From: imagen!atari!leavens@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Alex Leavens) Subject: Re: News From Hannover Messe To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu in article <88@osupyr.UUCP>, akw@osupyr.UUCP (FarOff MicroDesigns) says: > > Alex, a related question...is/will Atari support/be supporting an official > RAM upgrade for us 512K owners (and those unfortunate 256K owners somewhere > in EurAsia with 260STs) now or anytime in the future? > Don't know, but I tend to doubt it. There are already a large number of good inexpensive RAM upgrades available. --alex @ Atari BIX:alexl. GEnie: ALEXLEAVENS AtariCorp: 408-745-2006 "How can you be in two places at once when you're not anywhere at all." ------------------------------ Date: 13 Mar 87 21:31:42 GMT From: imagen!atari!leavens@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Alex Leavens) Subject: Re: clearing the screen To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu in article <13873@cca.CCA.COM>, m204help@cca.CCA.COM (Keith Hedger) says: > > > I'm writing a program using the MEGAMAX C system and my program is going > to spit out lines of output to the screen. My problem is that I want to > clear the screen (exit the desktop), have my program display its' information, > then return to the desktop. > How do I do this ??? Open a window. Write a filled rectangle of color white to the dimensions of the window. (This effectively blanks the window by painting the whole screen white). DO your stuff. CLose the window. Delete the window handle. Exit. --alex @ Atari BIX:alexl. GEnie: ALEXLEAVENS AtariCorp: 408-745-2006 "How can you be in two places at once when you're not anywhere at all." ------------------------------ Date: 13 Mar 87 22:17:07 GMT From: imagen!atari!leavens@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Alex Leavens) Subject: Re: Two questions on ST add-{o|i}ns To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu in article <8703111519.AA03527@yale-eli.YALE.ARPA>, fischer-michael@YALE.ARPA (Michael Fischer) says: > > Late last summer, someone at Atari said that such a program was > already finished, was being used in-house at Atari, and would be > released shortly after it had been tested thoroughly. It never > was. > That's the last we've heard. We know the program exists and has > been in daily use at Atari for over six months. We just want to > know when we can have it. > Yep, I know. I'd like to see it released also--Unfortunately, I'm not the one who has a say-so in this matter. --alex @ Atari BIX:alexl. GEnie: ALEXLEAVENS AtariCorp: 408-745-2006 "How can you be in two places at once when you're not anywhere at all." ------------------------------ Date: 13 Mar 87 22:49:01 GMT From: imagen!atari!leavens@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Alex Leavens) Subject: Re: News From Hannover Messe To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu in article <849@water.UUCP>, ljdickey@water.UUCP says: > > What is a "blitter", and what difference will I notice if I get one? A blitter is a hardware co-processor dedicated to graphics. You'll notice about a 5 fold increase in the performance of many graphics operations with one installed. > What bugs will be killed by new ROMS? I'll have to get a list. I know that the underscore bug in the file selector's been fixed--I don't know what else. > What new features will the new ROMS have? Other than bug fixes and blitter support, none, as far as I know. --alex @ Atari BIX:alexl. GEnie: ALEXLEAVENS AtariCorp: 408-745-2006 "How can you be in two places at once when you're not anywhere at all." ------------------------------ Date: 13 Mar 87 18:01:35 GMT From: imagen!turner@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (D'arc Angel) Subject: Re: Adding another Hard Drive?? To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu in article <901@chinet.UUCP>, cabbie@chinet.UUCP (Richard Andrews) says: +--------------------------------------------------------- + + + I dove into a Atari hard drive last night and started with my usual play + tactics. It seems that the Adaptek controller will support 2 hard disk + drives. The current software does not want to see the second drive. + (No, I didn't really expect it to.) (:>) Is there a patch that I can do + to the handler to enable the second drive? Neil?? Alex?? It would be neat + to add a second drive and power supply and have more storage! + + + -- +--------------------------------------------------------- i have a BMS (Berekely MicroSystems) driver and it supports 2 drives (in my case a 10 and a 20Mbyte). I believe the driver will run without their board. Their number is: (415) 530-3436 there is an extensive article on the BMS system in the current copy of STapplications I am in no way associated etc...... -- --------------- C'est la vie, C'est la guerre, C'est la pomme de terre Mail: Imagen Corp. 2650 San Tomas Expressway Santa Clara, CA 95052-8101 UUCP: ...{decvax,ucbvax}!decwrl!imagen!turner AT&T: (408) 986-9400 ------------------------------ Date: 13 Mar 87 22:26:34 GMT From: imagen!atari!leavens@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Alex Leavens) Subject: Re: News From Hannover Messe To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu in article <1657@trwrb.UUCP>, sansom@trwrb.UUCP (Richard Sansom) says: > > Hmmm. Without the blitter upgrade, what good _are_ these ROMs? I don't > mean to sound negative, but it was my understanding that the ROMs you are > talking about contain only the hooks needed by TOS to use the blitter > (correct me if I'm wrong). I think most of us are waiting for the GEMDOS > bug fixes before buying a new set of ROMs (at least I am). The new ROMS will also incorporate bug fixes and some tightening up of code. They will work with either the blitter installed or not. --alex @ Atari BIX:alexl. GEnie: ALEXLEAVENS AtariCorp: 408-745-2006 "How can you be in two places at once when you're not anywhere at all." ------------------------------ Date: 13 Mar 87 22:28:56 GMT From: imagen!atari!leavens@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Alex Leavens) Subject: Re: Blit/ROM upgrades To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu in article <1663@trwrb.UUCP>, sansom@trwrb.UUCP (Richard Sansom) says: > >>... Since the Mega-ST's will have the blit chip installed... > > Maybe Alex@Atari can shed some lite on this for us. Simon reports that > Shiraz Shivji (sp) has stated that the blitter can easily be added to the > Megas. Does this mean that the Megas won't come with the blitter? > As of right now the word was that we won't be shipping Megas until we can ship 'em with blitters. And we still expect to make our late 2nd quarter target date. --alex @ Atari BIX:alexl. GEnie: ALEXLEAVENS AtariCorp: 408-745-2006 "How can you be in two places at once when you're not anywhere at all." ------------------------------ End of Info-Atari16 Digest ************************** -------