Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!mnetor!seismo!rutgers!ames!ucbcad!ucbvax!WISDOM.BITNET!MAILER-DAEMON From: MAILER-DAEMON@WISDOM.BITNET (Mail Delivery Subsystem) Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st Subject: Returned mail: User unknown Message-ID: <8703192235.AA07106@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> Date: Thu, 19-Mar-87 14:39:31 EST Article-I.D.: ucbvax.8703192235.AA07106 Posted: Thu Mar 19 14:39:31 1987 Date-Received: Sat, 21-Mar-87 07:00:11 EST Sender: daemon@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Distribution: world Organization: The ARPA Internet Lines: 424 ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 550 ALEN@WISDOM.BITNET... User unknown ----- Unsent message follows ----- Received: from finhutc.bitnet by wisdom.bitnet; Fri, 20 Mar 87 00:30:29 -0200 Received: by FINHUTC (Mailer X1.23b) id 1470; Fri, 20 Mar 87 00:21:43 FIN Date: Thu 19 Mar 87 11:39:31 PST Reply-To: Info-Atari16@Score.Stanford.edu Sender: "Atari ST users forum (INFO-ATARI16)" Comments: To: "Distribution List: ;" From: Info-Atari16 Digest Subject: Info-Atari16 Digest V87 #134 To: Alen Goldberg Info-Atari16 Digest Thursday, March 19, 1987 Volume 87 : Issue 134 This weeks Editor: Bill Westfield Today's Topics: krabat2 help Re: Interesting B. Dalton & ST Software re: ST TeX Re: CTS/RTS Flow Control Problems Keyboard reading C compiler benchmarks Re: News From Hannover Messe Re: krabat2 help a few questions/whatever Re: Scientific word processing on Atari - (nf) Re: Supervisor mode RE: RE: Flaming Atari.... Re: Moving across the ocean ST Basic problems - RND, Strings ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 12 Mar 87 09:58:02 GMT From: mcvax!cernvax!jmg@seismo.css.gov (jmg) Subject: krabat2 help To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu The english-version krabat2 uuencoded file got here only with a bit missing. From begin to end it is 692 lines, but line 264 is short (it may be due to a missing chunk: it is NOT ending with lots of blanks). I list below my lines 263-265, in the hope that someone still has the uuencoded file and can tell me what I am missing. This would appear easier than getting the whole encoded file again from someone. If you can help, thanks. M\0G^, /_\TM%-P/_8[B@( S\#_P!@"@0 S\#\V,!"@8 S\#\T,!"@@ S M\#\R,!"@H S\#\3#0"@P S\#^[ 0"@X S\#]8 @"@ $ M\#\H,!"@0 $S\#]0" JE^S\& 0"@@ $C\#\C!P"@P (=J8 9X)V=F9)B.Q T ------------------------------ Date: 12 Mar 87 16:49:59 GMT From: mcvax!cernvax!jmg@seismo.css.gov (jmg) Subject: Re: Interesting To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu In article <621@atari.UUCP> leavens@atari.UUCP (Alex Leavens) writes: > The HitchHiker's Guide to the BIOS, which is part of the Developer's >Kit. You buy the Developer's Kit from us. Contact Cindy Clavern at >Atari. I don't want the bl--dy developers kit. I want proper technical documentation from Atari. Quote from the editorial of a UK computing journal (serious):- Another worrying sign is a survey of 2000 xxxx users carried out by Marplan for xxxx, which showed that while they were more satisfied with their suppliers in 1986 than in the previous year, they are still far from happy with the quality of its documentation. Documentation is not glamorous, nor is it a big moneyspinner for manufacturers. But to the user it is all-important. If suppliers want to sell more machines to a user base that has eaten its fill of glamour and jargon, they will have to start to concentrate on improving services like documentation and maintenance. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Mar 87 10:29:10 est From: Eric Terrell To: info-atari16@su-score.arpa Subject: B. Dalton & ST Software The same thing happened in a B. Dalton in Columbus, OH. Here the store had a fairly good selection, but it vanished recently. No demo machines. Terrell ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Mar 87 22:23:19 MEZ To: info-atari16@su-score.ARPA From: UNI215%DBNRHRZ1.BITNET@wiscvm.wisc.edu Subject: re: ST TeX I dont remember who asked (I think it was in Digest 95). The answer is NO. I asked Tools here in Bonn: there is today no dealer in the US dealing the ST-TeX. If there's interest, I'll ask them for further information (and maybe a demo) and mail it. Heribert (Bonn, W-Germany) UNI215@DBNRHRZ1 BITNET BTW Can anybody tell me what is comp.sources.atari.st, and if it is what I think, how I can access it from Bitnet? ------------------------------ Date: 15 Mar 87 13:50:52 GMT From: stuart@CS.ROCHESTER.EDU (Stuart Friedberg) Subject: Re: CTS/RTS Flow Control Problems To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu In article <228@mks.UUCP>, wheels@mks.UUCP writes: > In article <25784@rochester.ARPA>, I write: > > The chips that handle the RS-232C interfaces treat these > > signals as EDGE-TRIGGERED. > > I remember reading that, I think in the Abacus book, but then I also heard > that was only in the early versions and had been changed for TOS in ROM. Your source misinformed you. I have a 1040STf with TOS in ROM. It exhibits exactly the behavior I described. The interface chip is STILL a MC68901, which is STILL edge-triggered. You do have your choice of positive or negative transitions, which is why I said that I thought the problem was fixable with fancier software (in a nutshell look for the absence of the negative transition, and keep transmitting). It may well be that the Avatex and the UR Robotics do not have significant buffering (they have at least one character of buffering of course, since the register from which they shift out bits on the the telephone line is obviously not the register in which they store the latest character from the ST). That is a quibble, because the behavior I described with the sustained CTS signal is not dependent of modem buffer length, only on the absence of overrun from the host. Let's not quibble. Stu Friedberg ------------------------------ Date: 13 Mar 87 12:31:43 GMT From: mcvax!ukc!its63b!hwcs!neil@seismo.css.gov (Neil Forsyth) Subject: Keyboard reading To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu My first piece of text on the net is a cry for help. Problem: How can you test the status of a particular key on the keyboard? Simple question you would think but I can't do it. (Does that make me a moron?) The GEMDOS & BIOS calls concerning keyboard input either wait until a key is pressed or give you a key if there is one in the buffer now. None as far as I can make out request info on specific keys (Mouse & Joystick buttons are one exception). I've got a copy of "The Anatomy of the Atari ST", which I think is the UK version of the Abacus book in the US. In this book it states that the 6301 keyboard processor's normal action is to announce each keypress to the operating system (presumably on an interrupt basis). When the key is pressed the key number is sent (1 - 117) and when it is released it is sent again with the top bit set. The book is unclear about where this information appears. I have an idea to use a set of flag bits to show the status of some keys. These flags would be updated by an interrupt routine reflecting the status of the top bit if the correct keycode arrived. Please, can anyone help me? _____ Thanks in advance. ! / ! <- Cut here ____ !/ O /\ / ! /!\ ---/ \ /--- ! / \ ____/ \/ Neil Forsyth _!_ -- Neil Forsyth JANET: neil@uk.ac.hw.cs Heriot-Watt University ARPA: neil@cs.hw.ac.uk Dept of C.S. UUCP: ..!ukc!cs.hw.ac.uk!neil ------------------------------ Date: 15 Mar 87 23:08:40 GMT From: sandra@UTAH-CS.ARPA (Sandra J Loosemore) Subject: C compiler benchmarks To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu The latest batch of Dhrystone benchmarks have just been posted to comp.misc, and here are some numbers that may be of interest to Atari users. These are measured in mythical "Dhrystone/second" units, the two numbers for each compiler being without register variable declarations, and with 'em: Lattice 3.03.01 446, 450 Megamax 1.0 1063, 1136 And, just ran this one myself: Alcyon 4.14 877, 892 On a related topic, a week or two ago I ran a couple of crude tests to compare the speed of the Alcyon IEEE floating point math library routines with the FFP math library, and the IEEE library came out about *10 times* faster. Basic arithmetic operations seem to be about the same speed in both formats, except the IEEE divide is noticibly faster than the FFP divide. The Dhrystone program does not do any floating point, so if anybody is really interested in seriously comparing floating point speeds you'll have to come up with your own benchmark program. -Sandra Loosemore (sandra@cs.utah.edu) ------------------------------ Date: 15 Mar 87 20:44:07 GMT From: mnetor!utzoo!utgpu!water!ljdickey@seismo.css.gov Subject: Re: News From Hannover Messe To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu > > What is a "blitter", and what difference will I notice if I get one? > A blitter is a hardware co-processor dedicated to graphics. > > What bugs will be killed by new ROMS? > ... the underscore bug in the file selector's been fixed ... I vote for: *One* new ROM, that will correct the current list of known problems, and which will support the blitter, as an option. Everyone should get the new ROM. Upgrade to blitter should be one chip add on. The fact that the ROM is biltter ready should encourage sales of blitter. Keep inventory list short. Two different ROM upgrades is one too many. -- L. J. Dickey, Faculty of Mathematics, University of Waterloo. ljdickey@water.UUCP ljdickey%water@waterloo.CSNET ljdickey%water%waterloo.csnet@csnet-relay.ARPA ljdickey@water.BITNET UUCP: ...!watmath!water!ljdickey ------------------------------ Date: 15 Mar 87 21:38:29 GMT From: mnetor!utzoo!utgpu!water!ljdickey@seismo.css.gov Subject: Re: krabat2 help To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu In article <451@cernvax.UUCP>, jmg@cernvax.UUCP (jmg) writes: > The english-version krabat2 uuencoded file got here ... with [something] > missing. > I list below my lines 263-265, in the hope that someone still has the > uuencoded file and can tell me what I am missing. > M\0G^, /_\TM%-P/_8[B@( S\#_P!@"@0 S\#\V,!"@8 S\#\T,!"@@ S > M\#\R,!"@H S\#\3#0"@P S\#^[ 0"@X S\#]8 @"@ $ > M\#\H,!"@0 $S\#]0" JE^S\& 0"@@ $C\#\C!P"@P (=J8 9X)V=F9)B.Q T With the thought in mind that if one user did not get it, others may have missed it too, here are the three lines from my copy of the file. ================ M\0G^, /_\TM%-P/_8[B@( S\#_P!@"@0 S\#\V,!"@8 S\#\T,!"@@ S M\#\R,!"@H S\#\3#0"@P S\#^[ 0"@X S\#]8 @"@ $S\#_F 0"@( $S M\#\H,!"@0 $S\#]0" JE^S\& 0"@@ $C\#\C!P"@P (=J8 9X)V=F9)B.Q T ================ -- L. J. Dickey, Faculty of Mathematics, University of Waterloo. ljdickey@water.UUCP ljdickey%water@waterloo.CSNET ljdickey%water%waterloo.csnet@csnet-relay.ARPA ljdickey@water.BITNET UUCP: ...!watmath!water!ljdickey ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Mar 87 23:54:04 PST From: PSIMON%PPC.MFENET@nmfecc.arpa To: INFO-ATARI16@SU-SCORE.ARPA Subject: a few questions/whatever A few questions/whatever: Alex Leavens, what is the official upgrade policy for 1st Word, Neochrome, and (am I dreaming) ST Basic? I am very interested in the image processing program described by Patrick van Kleef (attempts to reach you personally via e-mail have failed, Patrick). Is this program available here in the states? If not, could I get it from you, Patrick? Snail-mail would be necessary for such a beast. Is usenet case sensitive? From some of the failed mail messages I have accumulated, it appears that addresses of the mail I send out are getting capitalized, perhaps right here at home. Richard Sansom, I think NAG is a good idea. I was unable to respond to you directly. Thanks, --Patrick Simon PSIMON%PPC.MFENET@NMFECC.ARPA or Q3971@PUCC.BITNET Might be of interest: According to Dick Biow (ST Applications(tm), March 1987), "The United States Navy has announced that it will not buy copy-protected programs from anybody, ever, regardless of quality or utility." ------------------------------ Date: 14 Mar 87 18:16:00 GMT From: mcvax!unido!tub!csch@seismo.css.gov Subject: Re: Scientific word processing on Atari - (nf) To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu 1. There is a VERY GOOD technical ,,writer`` for the ST: SIGNUM ... 2. TEX has been ported TWICE and there are PREVIEWERs ... Both products (TEX & SIGNUM) are sold by GERMAN companies. If you`re interested, I`ll send the addresses ... Rgds. Clemens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Contact via: csch@tub.uucp from the US: ...!pyramid!tub!csch from Europe: ...!unido!tub!csch Bitnet: csch@db0tui6 = tub.bitnet tel.: +49-30-393-3574 +49-30-332-4015 tlx.: (west-germany) + 186672 rdt d ------------------------------ Date: 16 Mar 87 00:25:30 GMT From: imagen!atari!dyer@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Landon Dyer) Subject: Re: Supervisor mode To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu > Does there exist a software way of changing the memory range that > is protected by the supervisor mode. No. -- -Landon Dyer, Atari Corp. {sun,lll-lcc,imagen}!atari!dyer The views expressed here do not not necessarily reflect those of Atari Corp. Segments are for worms. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Mar 87 12:05:48 GMT From: CZHRZU1A.BITNET!K538915@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU Subject: RE: RE: Flaming Atari.... To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu Alex, I don't think I was being unfair to Atari (I suppose you didn't see the original article which I wrote)....I'm pretty sure that you'll aggree that the 68020 will not be coming out this year unless Atari puts a BIG effort behind it. In the original article my major complaint was that Atari is on the brink of loosing a piece of market that it could of had (hi end 68'000 market) and which will now be taken by other machines (Amiga 2000, Mac II). BTW the '_' bug is VERY serious, people like you and me just shrug their shoulders when they stumble on a bug like that and just don't use underscores in paths anymore, but I've seen and heard from a number of casual users which got a nasty shock from this bug (ever lost a 10 page doc just thru pressing '_'?). Anyway I wish to thank you, Neil and Landon for reading this group and taking the trouble to answer so many letters. Simon K538915@CZHRZU1A.BITNET For AMIGA fans: I did not intend to start another 'my machine is better than yours' battle, I just wanted to point out that the Atari User Interface is generally simpler to use than the Amiga's (and the Mac's) and would be better for use in an office (if there were less bugs). Example: just the possibility that you can insert a disk full of files, but without Icon definitions and get an empty window (for the simple minded under us = empty disk), would probably cause havoc in an normal office environment. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Mar 87 14:35:54 SET To: INFO-ATARI16@SU-SCORE.ARPA From: ESC1457%ESOC.BITNET@wiscvm.wisc.edu Subject: Re: Moving across the ocean Don Petcher asked if it was possible to use a computer made for 220V 50Hz in the USA , it shouldn't give you too much trouble as long as mine is suppose to be a 110V 60 Hz and work fine in Europe . The only thing you have to do is to hook it up to a 110V to 220V transformer, the AC frequency increase is not important as long as you are using a black and white monitor, with an external synchro, but if you want to connect it to a TV or a color monitor you might experience some troubles (if the synchro reference is taken from the main (110V)). With an 520 1Meg, 2 SF314, 1 SM 124, 1 Panasonic KXP 1091, I use one 500 Watt transformer, wich is more than enough (add the watt ratings of all your stuff times 1.2 (safety coefficient) to get the power of the transformer you'll need. tune it to maximum of smoke. J.P. L. Coenen NM9L-ON1KCN.