Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!utgpu!water!watnot!watmath!clyde!rutgers!ames!ucbcad!ucbvax!WISDOM.BITNET!MAILER-DAEMON From: MAILER-DAEMON@WISDOM.BITNET.UUCP Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st Subject: Returned mail: User unknown Message-ID: <8703230520.AA07741@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> Date: Sun, 22-Mar-87 15:57:38 EST Article-I.D.: ucbvax.8703230520.AA07741 Posted: Sun Mar 22 15:57:38 1987 Date-Received: Tue, 24-Mar-87 03:26:25 EST Sender: daemon@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Distribution: world Organization: The ARPA Internet Lines: 449 ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 550 ALEN@WISDOM.BITNET... User unknown ----- Unsent message follows ----- Received: from finhutc.bitnet by wisdom.bitnet; Mon, 23 Mar 87 06:00:37 -0200 Received: by FINHUTC (Mailer X1.23b) id 6447; Mon, 23 Mar 87 05:30:40 FIN Date: Sun 22 Mar 87 12:57:38 PST Reply-To: Info-Atari16@Score.Stanford.edu Sender: "Atari ST users forum (INFO-ATARI16)" Comments: To: "Distribution List: ;" From: Info-Atari16 Digest Subject: Info-Atari16 Digest V87 #136 To: Alen Goldberg Info-Atari16 Digest Sunday, March 22, 1987 Volume 87 : Issue 136 This weeks Editor: Bill Westfield Today's Topics: Re: laser printer Re: Adding another Hard Drive?? (and auto-booting) Re: Request for propaganda Re: Caution with S&S Wholesalers of Miami Beach Extension boards for the new Mega Ataris Re: 520 in Canada Re: a few questions/whatever Port Microsoft-C to Atari ST - (nf) Re: a 68010 for your st? Re: Adding another Hard Drive?? Re: Working 4 meg ST Re: A Plea for SCSI Re: twister.prg ??? Re: 520 in Canada ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 17 Mar 87 00:59:42 GMT From: imagen!atari!leavens@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Alex Leavens) Subject: Re: laser printer To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu in article <261@nikhefh.UUCP>, t68@nikhefh.UUCP (Jos Vermaseren) says: > > At Hannover I saw the Atari laser printer. > It was announced as a 8 pages per minute printer. > In a report from the computer show in Vegas I read > something about 30 or more pages per minute. Was the person > who mentioned this mistaken, or is this not the same printer ? > ...Alex ??.... The 8 pages a minute figure is correct. I've never even _heard_ of a laser printer that'll do 30 pages a minute... --alex @ Atari BIX:alexl. GEnie: ALEXLEAVENS AtariCorp: 408-745-2006 "How can you be in two places at once when you're not anywhere at all." ------------------------------ Date: 16 Mar 87 17:26:02 GMT From: tektronix!sequent!mntgfx!dclemans@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Dave Clemans) Subject: Re: Adding another Hard Drive?? (and auto-booting) To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu The latest hard disk driver from Supra (version 2.61) fully supports both multiple physical drives and will let you write a boot sector out to the drive (to drive 0, if you have multiple drives). This will even let you run your system without floppies if you desire. What they do is to put a file "supboot.sys" (marked hidden so that it doesn't show up in normal directory listings) onto the root of drive C. Supboot.sys is the full driver; the simple driver in the boot sector just knows how to load that file. To get around the previously mentioned problems with booting directly from a hard disk (i.e., what to do if there are broken auto folder programs or broken desk accessories, etc.) the Supra boot sector checks for the control, shift and alternate keys to see if they all are down; if so, it doesn't try to boot from the hard disk, which lets you try to fix the situation using floppies. dgc ------------------------------ Date: 17 Mar 87 00:51:18 GMT From: imagen!atari!leavens@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Alex Leavens) Subject: Re: Request for propaganda To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu in article <395@laurel.wiley.UUCP>, bob@wiley.UUCP (Bob Amstadt) says: > 1. Has Atari upgraded their OS to include some form > of multitasking? If not does someone else supply a multitasking > OS? What about MINIX? No, our OS is not multi-tasking. There are a couple of multi- tasking OS's available: MT-Cshell, from Beckemeyer Development tools OS-9 from MicroWare > 2. Who retails the ST line in the Redondo Beach (LA) area? Don't know, sorry. > 3. Who supplies what hard disks for the ST? Atari makes the SH204, a 20 meg hard disc. Supra makes a couple of hard discs for the ST. > 4. Does X Windows run on the ST? Don't think so--I haven't heard of anyone porting this over. > 5. Does GNU emacs or a micro emacs run on the ST? There are a couple of good PD MicroEMACS available. I use MicroEmacs 3.7i, which I find is a good tool. --alex @ Atari BIX:alexl. GEnie: ALEXLEAVENS AtariCorp: 408-745-2006 "How can you be in two places at once when you're not anywhere at all." ------------------------------ Date: 16 Mar 87 02:50:23 GMT From: hao!noao!mcdsun!nud!df@hplabs.hp.com (Dale Farnsworth, NO7K) Subject: Re: Caution with S&S Wholesalers of Miami Beach To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu In article <8703121649.AA23788@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> kdale@BBNCC-EUR.ARPA (Keith Dale) writes: >I ordered a PC system from S & S Wholesalers, Inc. of Miami Beach, FL on Jan >28, 1987. > ... >I was told that it shipped on Wednesday, 28 Jan, the same day that I ordered >it, but the postage indicateds that it was shipped Monday, 9 Feb. I still have >not received the monitor. I have only dealt with S & S Wholesalers once, but I must say that I was quite satisfied with their response. I ordered a SC1224 color monitor, paid by personal check, which they said they would hold for 2 weeks. They shipped the monitor 14 days after they received my order and they paid for all the postage. I was very pleased. -Dale -- seismo!noao!mcdsun!nud!df 602/438-5739 ihnp4!mot!nud!df ------------------------------ Date: 17 MAR 87 10:09-N From: ZRFA1%DS0RUS51.BITNET@wiscvm.wisc.edu To: INFO-ATARI16 @ SU-SCORE.ARPA Subject:Extension boards for the new Mega Ataris In an interview with a german magazine Shiraz Shivij said that Atari has finished the development of a board with the 68881 on it. Does somebody (Neil) know when this board will be available, and which languages are going to support it. On the hannover fair i asked somebody of Prospero, an english company which has a good fortran compiler for the Atari. They didn't even know, that Atari has developed that board. In german Atari advertisements the board is allready cited. In the same interview Shiraz Shivij said that they have a LAN-board for lokal area networking in a Vax environement. Does somebody know wether TCP/IP, Decnet or something else is used. It would also be nice to be able to combine the to boards in one machine. Are there any more boards planned? Ulrich Lang (ZRFA1@DS0RUS1I) ------------------------------ Date: 16 Mar 87 17:53:35 GMT From: mcvax!ukc!dcl-cs!bath63!pes@seismo.css.gov (Paul Smee) Subject: Re: 520 in Canada To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu Sounds like the thingie (popular over here) which a lot of the dealers sell as a '520ST+' -- as far as I know, it's a standard Atari 520ST which they've then brought up to 1 Meg using a third party upgrade. They seem to be very popular, particularly if you need a modulator and want a Meg. (I don't know if 1040's with modulators exist elsewhere in the world, but they don't seem to in the UK. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Mar 87 01:28:25 GMT From: mcvax!botter!ark!kleef@seismo.css.gov (Patrick van Kleef) Subject: Re: a few questions/whatever To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu In article <870315235404.01d@nmfecc.arpa> PSIMON%PPC.MFENET@NMFECC.ARPA writes: >A few questions/whatever: > > I am very interested in the image processing program described by Patrick >van Kleef (attempts to reach you personally via e-mail have failed, Patrick). >Is this program available here in the states? If not, could I get it from you, >Patrick? Snail-mail would be necessary for such a beast. > >Thanks, >--Patrick Simon PSIMON%PPC.MFENET@NMFECC.ARPA or Q3971@PUCC.BITNET > AIM has been sent to the Atarinet Fileserver in Houston. There you may download it with 7 images that are used in a demo. The program and the images + the demo-control file may be downloaded from there. To get to the fileserver from BITNET, use address UH-INFO@UHUPVM1 and type ATARINET INDEX or ATARINET NEWS From usenet, send a message to UACE0@UHUPVM1 and ask for the AIM-set. Mike will send it to you then. (When he returns from Holiday). I CANNOT snailmail (call it a mental disability :) to y'all. Alex L. at Atari is the only exception I make ;) BTW, the files may show up on other servers too, as it is one h*ll of a program! (Credit to Technical University of Delft, The Netherlands) ------------------------------ Date: 16 Mar 87 16:18:00 GMT From: mcvax!unido!qtecmuc!ger@seismo.css.gov Subject: Port Microsoft-C to Atari ST - (nf) To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu Hi there, I need some information about the Atari ST, since I don't have one, but have to do a port of a C-Program, written on an IBM-PC with Microsoft-C 4.0, to the ST. The program consists of 12 (may be more) C-moduls, which are seperatly compiled and then linked together on the PC. -Which C-compiler would you recommend, concerning compatibility with the MS-compiler. -Are there any libraries for the RS-232 port, since there seem to be some problems with the hardware handshake. (I have to use 9600 bps) -How can I control text-colors and attributes (Highlighted or inverted) on the ST (ESC-sequences preferred). Thank you in advance Gerhard Pehland Quantec Tonstudiotechnik, Munich W-Germany mcvax!unido!qtecmuc!ger ------------------------------ Date: 17 Mar 87 00:30:41 GMT From: dayton!viper!john@rutgers.rutgers.edu (John Stanley) Subject: Re: a 68010 for your st? To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu In article <574@tc-fletch.tc.fluke.COM> fletch@tc.fluke.COM (Fletcher Holmquist) writes: > >When I have the ability to make cartridges, I plan on making a cartridge to >allow TOS to run on the 68010. The vector base register will allow all >exceptions to be intercepted, even if apps redefine the vectors. > Good luck. I'm looking forward to hearing more about your plans for this.. >....... I am disappointed that the code in ROM was not written in a way to >be compatible with the 68010 chip. Apparenty the Amiga OS was. > I've been discussing this with a small group of Amiga users. They are having the same problems upgrading to 68010's as we are. Aparently there is either an alternate "kick-start" disk for use with 68010 Amigas and/or there are some people experimenting with a method of detecting the different CPU's and booting the correct Amiga os based on what's in the machine. Either way, it means they have two different operating systems for the different cpus. This is a major problem all users wanting to upgrade are going to have to face regardless of the machine (ST or Amiga) they're using. --- John Stanley (john@viper.UUCP) Software Consultant - DynaSoft Systems UUCP: ...{amdahl,ihnp4,rutgers}!{meccts,dayton}!viper!john ------------------------------ Date: 17 Mar 87 01:39:49 GMT From: dayton!viper!john@rutgers.rutgers.edu (John Stanley) Subject: Re: Adding another Hard Drive?? To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu In article <659@atari.UUCP> dyer@atari.UUCP (Landon Dyer) writes: > >The Adaptec controller will indeed support more than one drive. >The current AHDI.PRG hard disk driver does not support more than >one drive per controller. And naturally, Atari does not >encourage or condone such modifications to the hardware.... > Well, I suppose that's suppost to be helpful?? People are asking serious questions about how to expand their storage and all you can say is "Atari doesn't encourage it...."? --- John Stanley (john@viper.UUCP) Software Consultant - DynaSoft Systems UUCP: ...{amdahl,ihnp4,rutgers}!{meccts,dayton}!viper!john ------------------------------ Date: 17 Mar 87 02:36:51 GMT From: dayton!viper!john@rutgers.rutgers.edu (John Stanley) Subject: Re: Working 4 meg ST To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu In article <4370@utah-cs.UUCP> atwell@utah-cs.UUCP (Bart L. Atwell) writes: > >I just talked to a guy from tech-specialties (one of the companies >who sells expandable memory upgrade boards) who said that they had >a working upgrade to 4 megabytes running. I can post their address >and phone if anybody is interested (I left it at home). > If it's an expansion for the 1040, then by all means, POST IT!! (chanting in background...four-meg, four-meg, four-meg, four-meg, four-meg...) --- John Stanley (john@viper.UUCP) Software Consultant - DynaSoft Systems UUCP: ...{amdahl,ihnp4,rutgers}!{meccts,dayton}!viper!john ------------------------------ Date: 17 Mar 87 00:50:04 GMT From: dayton!viper!john@rutgers.rutgers.edu (John Stanley) Subject: Re: A Plea for SCSI To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu I also would like to put in my 3 cents worth on the subject.... I was also very disapointed when, after waiting for the "new Atari ST machines with a built-in hard disk interface" (what was originaly quoted as being in the new machines), I hear storys about how you have to get a "special" drive(s) to use with the ST. I bought my ST, got a Supra hard disk and am in general pleased, -but-, there is -NO- reason I can think of for the ST's (or especially the new TT's) to continue to ignore a well established standard in favor of a poorly documented DMA port that nothing in the known universe (except ST peripherals) can use. The SCSI standard would give expanded capabilities at reduced cost (remember someone saying something about "Power without the price!"??). The current crop of ST hard disks, while a great acomplisment by the people who are dealing with slower drives to allow for the necessary protocol translations, are inferior to the standard run-of-the-mill SCSI drives available in larger capacities at -much- lower cost... If you're going to provide "standard printer ports" and "standard RS-232 ports" then for gods sake, -why- not support a well established DMA/hard-disk standard??? --- John Stanley (john@viper.UUCP) Software Consultant - DynaSoft Systems UUCP: ...{amdahl,ihnp4,rutgers}!{meccts,dayton}!viper!john ------------------------------ Date: 17 Mar 87 01:20:16 GMT From: dayton!viper!john@rutgers.rutgers.edu (John Stanley) Subject: Re: twister.prg ??? To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu In article <8703102314.AA10864@ncsc.ARPA> moore@NCSC.ARPA (Moore) writes: > >Does TWISTER.PRG, published in this quarter's STart, work? [Background: the >program formats floppies such that each track has its sector numbers offset >by two from the previous track, so that double reads of a single track caused >by seek and settle times are eliminated]. It sure sounds like it should work, >but I don't notice any difference at all! > Jim, from my understanding, the advantages from Twister formatted disks comes when copying large files. When you copy many smaller files, the head must interrupt it's Twister enhanced read/write, go to the track and sector where the directory is held, do some processing, and then move back to the place where it was in the Twister sequence. This destroys the timing. Also if you have lots of smaller files spread across several tracks/sectors where there are gaps, thi will also' cause timing problems. To best see the difference copy a large** file to a twister disk and another disk. Then try reading/copying that file with any program that can copy/read the file at a -very- high rate. The twister disk will read so fast you won't beleive it... --- John Stanley (john@viper.UUCP) Software Consultant - DynaSoft Systems UUCP: ...{amdahl,ihnp4,rutgers}!{meccts,dayton}!viper!john ------------------------------ Date: 16 Mar 87 05:53:08 GMT From: ihnp4!alberta!mnetor!utzoo!utgpu!water!watnot!watrose!jafischer@ucbvax.Berkeley .EDU Subject: Re: 520 in Canada To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu > A 1040 ST Package *marked* 520 ST on the exterior. > It came with a single sided internal drive and monitor. This is the packaging that all 520's have been sold in for a couple of months now, in Canada. As far as is obvious to the eye, it contains a 1040 motherboard with only one row of 256K chips instead of two... yes, someone told me that to upgrade to 1 Meg it IS as simple as plugging in the second row of chips. Still a lot of soldering, but much simpler than the old piggy back method. The other difference is that it contains the RF modulator. The only problem with this packaging is that it forces the buyer to be stuck with a single sided drive. Of course you can always buy a second DS drive, but I've found that mixing a SS and DS drive doesn't make much sense. I had such a configuration once, and all my disks eventually migrated over to DS, and I sold my SS drive. Canada is one of Atari's test markets, and that is why we usually see such products before the much larger US market. The 1040 was in Canada about 2 months before its introduction in the states, if I remember correctly. Gee, I wonder if that means we'll get the Megas first... -- - Jonathan Fischer (jafischer@watrose.UUCP) or ...watmath!watrose!jafischer ------------------------------ End of Info-Atari16 Digest ************************** -------