Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!utgpu!water!watnot!watmath!clyde!rutgers!ames!ucbcad!ucbvax!WISDOM.BITNET!MAILER-DAEMON From: MAILER-DAEMON@WISDOM.BITNET.UUCP Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st Subject: Returned mail: User unknown Message-ID: <8703280518.AA20733@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> Date: Fri, 27-Mar-87 22:07:42 EST Article-I.D.: ucbvax.8703280518.AA20733 Posted: Fri Mar 27 22:07:42 1987 Date-Received: Sat, 28-Mar-87 17:39:28 EST Sender: daemon@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Distribution: world Organization: The ARPA Internet Lines: 483 ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 550 ALEN@WISDOM.BITNET... User unknown ----- Unsent message follows ----- Received: from finhutc.bitnet by wisdom.bitnet; Sat, 28 Mar 87 07:13:51 -0200 Received: by FINHUTC (Mailer X1.23b) id 7249; Sat, 28 Mar 87 07:07:38 FIN Date: Fri 27 Mar 87 19:07:42 PST Reply-To: Info-Atari16@Score.Stanford.edu Sender: "Atari ST users forum (INFO-ATARI16)" Comments: To: "Distribution List: ;" From: Info-Atari16 Digest Subject: Info-Atari16 Digest V87 #145 To: Alen Goldberg Info-Atari16 Digest Friday, March 27, 1987 Volume 87 : Issue 145 This weeks Editor: Bill Westfield Today's Topics: Re: How big is displayed screen on Atare SM124? Alex's Icons... Flakey errors with Uniterm17a. really fast laser printers VBI Info? Re: Emacs 3.8b bugs on the way Extension boards for the Mega-STs? Re: Flakey errors with Uniterm17a. Extension boards for the Mega-STs? Twister LaserPrinter Memory Requirements status of Batteries Included Re: UniTerm V1.7a Problems UniTerm Info Request uEmacs38b fixes for ATARI ST - (nf) NITE feature??? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 22 Mar 87 13:44:38 GMT From: kodak!ektools!bruce@CS.ROCHESTER.EDU (Bruce D. Nelson ) Subject: Re: How big is displayed screen on Atare SM124? To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu In article <162@odyssey.UUCP> jcs@odyssey.UUCP (j.c.schwebel) writes: >I just bought an Atari SM124 monochrome monitor for the 1040 ST >and am a little disappointed by the size of the displayed screen area. > .... are there adjustment controls inside the box? The reason given by Atari for the small image size is to maintain linearity of the screen image. Several articles have been published giving instructions on how to enlarge the image. On my screen, the very bottom line has a definite curve, but the larger image is nice. I guess it comes down to the choice between perfectly square pixels or less eyestrain. Bruce D. Nelson, Sr. Appl. Analyst: Software Maintenance, Production Systems EASTMAN KODAK COMPANY, 901 Elmgrove Rd., Rochester, NY 14650, 716 726-7890 UUCP: {allegra, seismo}!rochester!kodak!ektools!bruce ARPA: kodak!ektools!bruce@rochester.ARPA ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Mar 87 23:38:23 EST From: Flash%UMASS.BITNET@wiscvm.wisc.edu Subject: Alex's Icons... To: Info-Atari16@SU-SCORE.ARPA Anyone else out there have had problems with the ICONLOADER that came in the spring issue of start? I got hooked on it, drew up some neat icons. (3.5 floppy, little campfire for trash, and so on...) and have been using it since. BUT! I realized, that over the last couple of days, some programs have mysteriously bombed. I didn't give them much thought. Well, tonight I tried good ole K-Switch. And guess what? Both FLASH and UNITERM will crash into several bombs and lock up the system IF you have custom icons loaded. (I removed LOADICON alone, and all fixed!) Alex, any idea why this happens? I was able to nail down the problem by booting only with K-switch and LOADICON and then without LOADICON alone. Any chance of getting this fixed? Or is this, being software is a magazine, no_upgrade_avail stuff? Now that I got hooked on my new nifty icons, I got to get rid of them, waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. Oh well, that is life. Rick Flashman 1040 N. Pleasant Street, #381, Amherst, MA 01002. (413) 549-0173 Flash@UMASS.BITNET -or- Flash%UMASS.BITNET@WISCVM.WISC.EDU R-FLASHMAN on GEnie ------------------------------ Date: 22 Mar 87 23:29:10 GMT From: nexus.dec.com!morgan@decwrl.dec.com (Organized religion? Just say NO!) Subject: Flakey errors with Uniterm17a. To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu I love Uniterm17a but... I have been experiencing a problem with Uniterm17a. With noisy phone lines I get errors that abort x-modem transfers. Usually you should get a packet retry, but I'm getting sender errors and false EOT messages that destroy the integrity of the d/l load. Any ideas? Should I just use Kermit or Y-modem under Uniterm17a? I'm using a Hayes compatible modem that has performed well for a year and still looks good. I don't think there are any switches that need to be changed in the modem for Uniterm so I have to believe that the copy of Uniterm is somehow glitched or I am doing something else wrong. Anyone else had this problem with Uniterm17a?? Mikie? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Mar 87 20:31 EST From: Rodney Subject: really fast laser printers To: info-atari16@SCORE.STANFORD.EDU At rensselaer polytechnic institute, they have a Xerox 8700 laserprinter which is now the default printer for the multi-processor IBM machine that is the main computer on campus. This printer I believe does at LEAST 30 ppm (printed on both sides). Thats 30 pieces of paper printed front and back coming out of the machine in a minute. this is a BIG laser printer though. It's not going to fit in your office next to your ST...sorry. (I could be wrong about the speed, but if I remember correctly, it throws at least 1 page every 2 seconds out. probably 2 pages every 2 seconds...) (apple laserwriters were depressingly slow as far as I was concerned, 'cause this Xerox was the first laser printer I ever saw.) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Mar 87 21:03 EST From: Matt Kimmel To: Info-Atari16@SCORE.STANFORD.EDU Subject: VBI Info? X-VMS-To: CSNET%"Info-Atari16@Score.Stanford.edu" Where can I find information about using the VBI from C? I tried the VBI handler that came over the network a while ago, but it didn't work. Where can I find generic or C-specific (or even Pascal or Modula-2-specific) information about using the VBI? Other than the developer's documentation, of course; I don't have $300 lying around (Why can't they release the developer's docs seperately? It would make them a lot of money!) Thanks! -Matt Kimmel, KIMMEL@UMAECS.BITNET KIMMEL%UMAECS.BITNET@wiscvm.ARPA KIMMEL@ECS.UMASS.EDU ------------------------------ Date: 22 Mar 87 08:13:58 GMT From: mnetor!utzoo!utgpu!water!watnot!watrose!jafischer@seismo.css.gov Subject: Re: Emacs 3.8b bugs on the way To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu Regarding the posting of Emacs 3.8b... version 3.8f is up on Compuserve. Has anyone downloaded it? -- - Jonathan Fischer (jafischer@watrose.UUCP) or ...watmath!watrose!jafischer ------------------------------ Date: 23 MAR 87 11:20-N From: ZRFA1%DS0RUS51.BITNET@wiscvm.wisc.edu To: INFO-ATARI16 @ SU-SCORE.ARPA Subject:Extension boards for the Mega-STs? I am sorry, if this message is the second time on the list. I have allready sent it some time ago, bet never seen it on the digests we get on bitnet sites. In an interview with a german magazine Shiraz Shivij said that Atari has finished the development of a board with the 68881 on it. Does somebody (Neil) know when this board will be available, and which languages are going to support it. In german Atari advertisements the board is allready cited. In the same interview Shiraz Shivij said that they have a LAN-board for lokal area networking in a Vax environement. Does somebody know what software is used (TCP/IP, Decnet,...)? Is it possible to use more than one board in one machine? Are there any more boards planned? Ulrich Lang (ZRFA1@DS0RUS1I) ------------------------------ Date: 23 Mar 87 05:46:41 GMT From: kodak!ektools!bruce@CS.ROCHESTER.EDU (Bruce D. Nelson ) Subject: Re: Flakey errors with Uniterm17a. To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu I _finally_ got a copy of Uniterm 1.7a and have experienced 2 problems so far... 1) Oftentimes, as soon as the remote modem answers, Uniterm exits back to the desktop. 2) Ymodem times out after the host has sent the filename block. Anyone else seen these problems? Bruce D. Nelson, Sr. Appl. Analyst: Software Maintenance, Production Systems EASTMAN KODAK COMPANY, 901 Elmgrove Rd., Rochester, NY 14650, 716 726-7890 UUCP: {allegra, seismo}!rochester!kodak!ektools!bruce ARPA: kodak!ektools!bruce@rochester.ARPA ------------------------------ Date: 23 Mar 87 10:57:52 GMT From: DS0RUS51.BITNET!ZRFA1@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU Subject: Extension boards for the Mega-STs? To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu I am sorry, if this message is the second time on the list. I have allready sent it some time ago, bet never seen it on the digests we get on bitnet sites. In an interview with a german magazine Shiraz Shivij said that Atari has finished the development of a board with the 68881 on it. Does somebody (Neil) know when this board will be available, and which languages are going to support it. In german Atari advertisements the board is allready cited. In the same interview Shiraz Shivij said that they have a LAN-board for lokal area networking in a Vax environement. Does somebody know what software is used (TCP/IP, Decnet,...)? Is it possible to use more than one board in one machine? Are there any more boards planned? Ulrich Lang (ZRFA1@DS0RUS1I) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Mar 87 09:53 EST From: Chris Jones Subject: Twister To: Info-Atari16@SCORE.STANFORD.EDU > From: ihnp4!inuxc!iuvax!franco@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU > > I am not sure why the authors of twister set their formatter > to 400k when 410k can easily be achieved. The following hacks to the > executable will change twister to a 410k twister: > > The single occurrence of HEX 0320 should be changed to 0334 > The single occurrence of HEX 0640 should be changed to 0668 > The single occurrence of HEX 0050 should be changed to 0052 (in third sector) I'd feel better about doing this if some explanation were included about what this is supposed to accomplish. Otherwise, I can't tell if this is something on the order of "For a real high-energy drink, substitute naptholene for the orange juice." (I guess from looking at the numbers that this causes cylinders 80 and 81 to be used, but I'd rather hear it from the horse's mouth, so to speak). I also have not noticed a measurable speedup after formatting a DS disk with twister. I've been reading and writing VIP Professional workspace files which are about 100K bytes long, and I do have reboot.prg in the auto folder to disable write verification. I haven't done enough experiments to say for certain that there is no speedup, however. ------------------------------ Date: 23 Mar 87 14:07:55 GMT From: appelbau@topaz.rutgers.edu (Marc L. Appelbaum) Subject: LaserPrinter Memory Requirements To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu Here is a copy of a message I recieved from Art Morgan: Memo Laser Printer Image Memory Requirements Date 22 March 1987 >From Art Morgan Project Gutenberg Atari Corporation To Marc Appelbaum The horse's mouth that you refer to may actually be a horse's ass :^). I believe the confusion stems from my diagram of the Atari ST Desktop Publishing System, which shows the Atari MEGA ST4 (4 meg) as the image-processing hub of an IDEAL Atari desktop system. In reality the memory requirements of a letter-size page image is 954000 bytes, well under 1 meg. Here are the memory requirements for the paper types supported by the Atari SLM Laser Printer: Paper Dimensions Memory LETTER 2400 dots by 3180 lines 954000 bytes LEGAL 2400 dots by 4080 lines 1224000 bytes A4 2336 dots by 3386 lines 988712 bytes B5 2016 dots by 2914 lines 734328 bytes The above requirements do not apply to Dave Staugas' printer emulator, which uses a character generator "banding" technique requiring around 32 Kbytes of effective image memory. That's why Dave's emulator can run on an Atari 520 or 1040 ST system. I hope this clears the confusion. If you feel like posting a correction to the net using this information, please feel free to do so. Best regards, Art Morgan Project Gutenberg Atari Corporation March 22, 1987 I think this should clear up all the confusion about the memory needed for the Laser Printer. I would also like to thank Art once more. -- Marc L. Appelbaum "If life is a game of chess Arpa:appelbau@topaz.rutgers.edu and you and I are pawns Uucp:rutgers!topaz!appelbau what happens when we get to GEnie: M.APPELBAUM the other side of the board?" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Mar 87 13:27 EST From: Chris Jones Subject: status of Batteries Included To: Info-Atari16@SCORE.STANFORD.EDU I ordered Degas Elite from Computer Creations Inc. of Centerville, OH. Five days later (last Saturday) I got a letter saying that "Batteries Included has filed for bankruptcy. Degas Elite is therefore not available at this time." I called several other mail-order places, and, while no one else used the word "bankruptcy", none of them have Degas Elite, and they are not receiving shipments from Batteries Included. (I don't recall who else I called, except that Software Discounters of America was one of them). It seems that the reports of B.I.'s death are not a total fabrication, although I continue to hope the truth is a little less drastic. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Mar 87 22:14:41 GMT To: info-atari16@su-score.ARPA From: K538915%CZHRZU1A.BITNET@wiscvm.wisc.edu Return-Receipt-To: K538915@CZHRZU1A.BITNET Subject: Re: UniTerm V1.7a Problems Try to get your hands on a copy of 1.7b (my motto: 'Produce new versions quicker than people find bugs' :-))....the current version is something like 1.7b 014 (may change with time :-)), I'll be sending a copy of this to the server in Houston a.s.a.p. (for all those which have been wanting mouse control of cursor, from edit nr. 11 UniTerm has it). Sorry if there are problems with XModem and YModem, but its rather hard to find a BAD line here + a server with XModem. Simon K538915@CZHRZU1A.BITNET ------------------------------ Date: 23 Mar 87 20:10:01 GMT From: princeton!phoenix!pupthy!wrs@RUTGERS.EDU (William R. Somsky) Subject: UniTerm Info Request To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu I find myself in need of a more elaborate terminal emulator than I have currently been using. UniTerm would seem to fill my needs. However, 1 - I have a copy of UniTerm 1.6g. Is this the latest version? If not, where can I obtain the latest (compiled) version? 2 - The only documentation I have is for UniTerm 1.4 (Way out of date) Is there complete documentation for the latest UniTerm version? Again, where can I obtain this? (Preferrably formatted, I don't have proff) Please answer by Email. Don't send UniTerm or its docs, but let me know if and where they are available. I'll then get them from the closest location. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ William R. Somsky Physics Dept ; Princeton Univ wrs@pupthy.PRINCETON.EDU PO Box 708 ; Princeton NJ 08544 ------------------------------ Date: 22 Mar 87 17:04:00 GMT From: mcvax!unido!tub!csch@seismo.css.gov Subject: uEmacs38b fixes for ATARI ST - (nf) To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu A few day ago I posted the following message to comp.emacs. I wasn't getting any answer til now ... So - I'm posting it here again: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hello all NETlanders listening to that newsgroup, My friend Jochen & me have been working on the ATARI-ST & IBM-AT versions of uEmacs38b. We've done a lot more stuff, than the orig. ones. i.e. ALL shell-escapes (^XC, ^X!, ^X@, ^X#) now work properly (with either Beckemeyer-C-shell & Mark-Williams-C-shell ...) and much more enhancements took place ... So I've been writing to the author (lawrence@duncan) to ask him how to get these fixes (and believe me, THERE WERE LOTS OF REAL BUGS ...) permanently involved into the uEmacs-series. He wasn't answering me till now, so perhaps someone else in this newsgroup will help me doing this... Kindest regards Clemens Schrimpe ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Contact via: csch@tub.uucp from the US: ...!pyramid!tub!csch from Europe: ...!unido!tub!csch Bitnet: csch@db0tui6 = tub.bitnet tel.: +49-30-393-3574 +49-30-332-4015 tlx.: (west-germany) + 186672 rdt d ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Mar 87 18:49:06 CST From: moore@ncsc.ARPA (Moore) To: info-atari16@su-score.ARPA Subject: NITE feature??? Has anyone noticed if NITE.PRG (Moshe Braner, I _think_) causes the disk access light on floppy drives to stay on? This evening I left a diskcopy going, and when I came back the light was still on and the copy was (over)done. I've also noticed this with Simon Poole's Uniterm when I've walked away from a large file download. Useful comments are appreciated. Jim Moore@NCSC.arpa ------------------------------ End of Info-Atari16 Digest ************************** -------