Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!utgpu!water!watnot!watmath!clyde!rutgers!seismo!mcvax!ukc!dcl-cs!bath63!pes From: pes@bath63.UUCP Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st Subject: Documentation (or, NAG 2 followup) Message-ID: <886@bath63.ux63.bath.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 31-Mar-87 05:46:08 EST Article-I.D.: bath63.886 Posted: Tue Mar 31 05:46:08 1987 Date-Received: Sat, 4-Apr-87 15:01:37 EST Reply-To: pes@ux63.bath.ac.uk (Paul Smee) Distribution: world Organization: AUCC c/o University of Bath Lines: 49 The following was meant to be for Richard Sansom, as a followup to the NAG 2 questionnaire which I sent him. However, it got bounced by a mailer somewhere along the line. Since I think it ought to be brought to the attention of Atari, I've put it here. (I've already mentioned this to an Atari(UK) contact as well.) I'd just add the note from my original mailing to the effect that, for the user population I'm thinking of, 'buy the developer's kit' is not the answer. (And, given the response I got when I contacted Atari(UK) about it about a year ago, it would be like pulling teeth to get them to sell you one anyway -- and with some fairly obnoxious strings attached.) **** Original message follows **** If you got my NAG 2 answers, you'll have noticed my flame about documentation. While I mean every word of it, I thought a bit more background might help put it into perspective. The problem is really one of intense personal frustration. I *like* the ST. I'd like to see more people using it. Because of my position in our Computer Center, people often ask me for advice when they are contemplating buying a personal computer of some sort. At present, though, and primarily because of the lack of proper documentation, I can only honestly recommend the ST to two classes of user: the incredibly naive ones, who want to buy a machine and a software package, load and go, and never want to go beyond that; and the dedicated hackers, who are willing to spend hours puzzling things out for themselves, and probably even prefer it that way as a matter of pride. However, most people I come into contact with are not in either of those extreme groups. They want to write their own programs (at least to some extent), but they don't want to have to spend millenia trying to find the hooks and handles which will allow them to make use of the support which is potentially provided by the system. I cannot in honesty or good faith recommend the ST to anyone in this large category; and everytime I have to suggest that someone would be better off with an IBMclone or a BBC Master because they'll be able to find out how to use it, it TICKS ME OFF, because I know the ST would be a better machine, but there's no document I can recommend to them which would let them make use of it. I've seen most of (and bought many of) the 'third party' documents, and so far they all seem either to be trivial, or (while having the right idea) inaccurate (usually in the same ways -- must have sprung from a common source), or incomplete. (Or, even worse, some combination of the three.) (The new Sybex book on GEM *may* be an exception -- but as it is about 'proper' GEM, and Atari GEM is a subset, I'm not sure yet.) Cheers, Paul