Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!utgpu!water!watnot!watmath!clyde!rutgers!ames!amdahl!bnrmtv!connery From: connery@bnrmtv.UUCP Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc Subject: Re: IBM's new System 2 Personal Computers Message-ID: <1608@bnrmtv.UUCP> Date: Thu, 9-Apr-87 22:41:11 EST Article-I.D.: bnrmtv.1608 Posted: Thu Apr 9 22:41:11 1987 Date-Received: Sat, 11-Apr-87 14:42:31 EST References: <775@oliveb.UUCP> <478@bene.UUCP> <4083@mnetor.UUCP> Distribution: na Organization: Bell Northern Research, Mtn. View, CA Lines: 368 PS 60 vs. Mac II: ================ The Apple Mac II Hard Disk 40 (Mac II) and IBM Personal System II Model 60 (PS 60) have a number of similarities starting with comparable retail prices. I thought I'd work up some kind of comparison between the two for interest's sake. I will be quoting retail prices here. Personal System II Model 60 Mac II Retail Price $5295.00 $5369.00 Design Vertical Floor Standing Desktop Processor 80286 68020 (easy upgrade to 68030) Clock Rate 10MHz 15.7MHz ROM 128K 256K Memory Wait States 1 2 Planar (std.) 1Mb 1Mb (max) 1Mb 4Mb w 256Kb chips 8Mb w 1Mb chips Total 15Mb today 8Mb 16Mb max Bus Micro-Channel Nubus Clock Rate 10MHz 10MHz (synch. req'd) Slots (max) 8 6 (avail) 7 5 Width 16 bits 32 bits Features Smart Config, no dip switches ditto Any card can take bus ditto Multiple DMAs in parallel No DMA Standard Ports serial, parallel, pointing 2 serial, 2 ADB (mouse device, keyboard and keyboard, but each can support 16 devices), SCSI, sound Floppies size 1.4Mb 3.25" 800Kb 3.25" (1.6Mb soon) standard 1 1 can add 1 (internal or external) 1 (internal) (external requires $60.00 kit) Hard Disk storage 44Mb 40Mb size full height 5.25" half height 5.25" avg. seek 40ms 65ms ? interleave 1:1 1:1 interface ST??? SCSI other controller supports 2 internal SCSI port supports up to 6 external Video Adaptor VGA built-in Video Card Price std. $499.00 for card Expansion none $149.00 add-on 256K Scan Rate 70MHz 66MHz Monitors Both Mono and Color Both Mono and Color Color Table 262,144 16,000,000 Other CGA, EGA & MDA compatible Can use multiple monitors simultaneously Monitors Monochrome 12-inch Analog 12-inch Analog Price $250.00 $399.00 Resolution 640 x 480, 16 shades 640 x 480, 256 shades 720 x 400 text (16 without add-on) Color 12-inch Analog 13-inch RGB Price $595.00 $999.00 Resolution 640 x 480, 16 colors 640 x 480, 256 colors 320 x 200, 256 colors (16 without add-on) 720 x 400 text 14-inch Analog $685.00 same as 12-inch Analog 16-inch Analog $1550.00 1024 x 768, 256 colors requires $1290.00 8514/A video adaptor (16 colors) + $270 Memory Exp. Tilt/Swivel $35 for 12-inch Color, std. $89.00 for all others Keyboard 101-key Standard Keyboard 105-key Saratoga or 81-key Eastwood. Price std. $229 and $129 resp. Mouse Port built-in ADB built-in Mouse 2-button opto-mechanical 1-button opto-mechanical Price $95.00 std. Numeric Co-processor 80287 68881 (can use 68882) Clock Rate 10MHz 16MHz Price $525.00 std. Other Sensing Power Supply Sensing Power Supply Optional 68851 MMU Processor card not special (easy upgrade) 4 voice stereo sound Benchmarks Dhrystones 2750 predicted 2801 (MacWorld) Total System Price (w 1Mb memory, floppy, hard disk, 16 colors, mouse, keyboard) Mono $5640.00 $6485.00 Color $6010.00 $7085.00 PS 80 vs. Mac II: ================ The Apple Mac II Hard Disk 40 (Mac II) and IBM Personal System II Model 80 (PS 80) have a number of similarities starting with the same clock rate. Personal System II Model 80/041 Mac II Retail Price $6995.00 $5369.00 Design Vertical Floor Standing Desktop Processor 80386 68020 (easy upgrade to 68030) Clock Rate 16MHz 15.7MHz ROM 128K 256K Memory Wait States 1 2 Planar (std.) 1Mb 1Mb (max) 2Mb w 1Mb chips 4Mb w 256K chips 8Mb w 1Mb chips Total 16Mb 8Mb Bus Micro-Channel Nubus Clock Rate 16MHz 10MHz (synch. req'd) Slots (max) 8 6 (avail) 7 5 Width 32 bits 32 bits Features Smart Config, no dip switches ditto Any card can take bus ditto Multiple DMAs in parallel No DMA Standard Ports serial, parallel, pointing 2 serial, 2 ADB (mouse device, keyboard and keyboard, but each can support 16 devices), SCSI, sound Floppies size 1.4Mb 3.25" 800Kb 3.25" (1.6Mb soon) standard 1 1 can add 1 (internal or external) 1 (internal) (external requires $60.00 kit) Hard Disk storage 44Mb 40Mb size full height 5.25" half height 5.25" avg. seek 40ms 65ms ? interleave 1:1 1:1 interface ST??? SCSI other controller supports 2 internal SCSI port supports up to 6 external Video Adaptor VGA built-in Video Card Price std. $499.00 for card Expansion none $149.00 add-on 256K Scan Rate 70MHz 66MHz Monitors Both Mono and Color Both Mono and Color Color Table 262,144 16,000,000 Other CGA, EGA & MDA compatible Can use multiple monitors simultaneously Monitors Monochrome 12-inch Analog 12-inch Analog Price $250.00 $399.00 Resolution 640 x 480, 16 shades 640 x 480, 256 shades 720 x 400 text (16 without add-on) Color 12-inch Analog 13-inch RGB Price $595.00 $999.00 Resolution 640 x 480, 16 colors 640 x 480, 256 colors 320 x 200, 256 colors (16 without add-on) 720 x 400 text 14-inch Analog $685.00 same as 12-inch Analog 16-inch Analog $1550.00 1024 x 768, 256 colors requires $1290.00 8514/A video adaptor (16 colors) + $270 Memory Exp. Tilt/Swivel $35 for 12-inch Color, std. $89.00 for all others Keyboard 101-key Standard Keyboard 105-key Saratoga or 81-key Eastwood. Price std. $229 and $129 resp. Mouse Port built-in ADB built-in Mouse 2-button opto-mechanical 1-button opto-mechanical Price $95.00 std. Numeric Co-processor 80387 68881 (can use 68882) Clock Rate 16MHz 16MHz Price $795.00 std. Other Sensing Power Supply Sensing Power Supply Optional 68851 MMU Processor card not special (easy upgrade) 4 voice stereo sound Benchmarks Dhrystones > 4400 predicted 2801 (MacWorld) Total System Price (w 2Mb memory, floppy, hard disk, 16 colors, mouse, keyboard, numeric coprocessor) Mono $8830.00 $6834.00 Color $9210.00 $7434.00 PS 50 vs. Mac SE: ================ The Apple Mac SE Disk 20 (Mac SE) and IBM Personal System II Model 50 (PS 50) have a number of similarities starting with similar retail prices. Personal System II Model 50 Mac SE Retail Price $3595.00 $3569.00 Design Desktop Desktop Processor 80286 68000 Clock Rate 10MHz 7.83MHz ROM 128K 256K Memory Wait States 1 1 Planar (std.) 1Mb 1Mb (max) 1Mb 4Mb w 1Mb chips Total 7Mb today 4Mb 15Mb w 1Mb chips Bus Micro-Channel 96-pin 68000 bus Clock Rate 10MHz 7.83MHz Slots (max) 3 1 (avail) 3 1 Width 16 bits 16 bits Features Smart Config, no dip switches no Any card can take bus no Multiple DMAs in parallel No DMA Standard Ports serial, parallel, pointing 2 serial, 2 ADB (mouse device, keyboard and keyboard, but each can support 16 devices), SCSI, sound Floppies size 1.4Mb 3.25" 800Kb 3.25" (1.6Mb soon) standard 1 1 can add 1 (external) 1 (internal) (requires $60.00 kit) Hard Disk storage 20Mb 20Mb size half height 3.5" half height 3.5" avg. seek 80ms 80ms ? interleave 1:1 2:1 interface ST??? SCSI other none SCSI port supports up to 6 external Video Adaptor VGA built-in built-in Price std. std. Expansion none none Scan Rate 70MHz 60MHz Monitors Both Mono and Color Mono Color Table 262,144 none Other CGA, EGA & MDA compatible none Monitors Monochrome 12-inch Analog built-in 9-inch Price $250.00 std. Resolution 640 x 480, 16 shades 512 x 342 720 x 400 text Color 12-inch Analog none Price $595.00 Resolution 640 x 480, 16 colors 320 x 200, 256 colors 720 x 400 text 14-inch Analog $685.00 same as 12-inch Analog 16-inch Analog $1550.00 1024 x 768, 256 colors requires $1290.00 8514/A video adaptor (16 colors) + $270 Memory Exp. Tilt/Swivel $35 for 12-inch Color, std. N/A for all others Keyboard 101-key Standard Keyboard 105-key Saratoga or 81-key Eastwood. Price std. $229 and $129 resp. Mouse Port built-in ADB built-in Mouse 2-button opto-mechanical 1-button opto-mechanical Price $95.00 std. Numeric Co-processor 80287 none Clock Rate 10MHz Price $525.00 Other Sensing Power Supply Sensing Power Supply Benchmarks Dhrystones 2750 predicted 934 (MacWorld) Total System Price (w 1Mb memory, floppy, hard disk, mono, mouse, keyboard) Mono $3940.00 $3698.00 -- Glenn Connery, Bell Northern Research, Mountain View, CA {hplabs,amdahl,3comvax}!bnrmtv!connery