Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!mnetor!seismo!uwvax!oddjob!hao!hplabs!hplabsc!taylor From: eugene@ames-pioneer.arpa (Eugene Miya N.) Newsgroups: mod.comp-soc Subject: Re: Getting people to use communications systems Message-ID: <1408@hplabsc.HP.COM> Date: Tue, 10-Mar-87 02:08:33 EST Article-I.D.: hplabsc.1408 Posted: Tue Mar 10 02:08:33 1987 Date-Received: Tue, 10-Mar-87 23:38:54 EST References: <1393@hplabsc.HP.COM> Sender: taylor@hplabsc.HP.COM Distribution: world Organization: NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, Calif. Lines: 42 Approved: taylor@hplabs >Looking at the situation from my current perspective I notice that there is not >much involvement by artists and people with arts backgrounds in electronic >communications in general. ... >I suspect that if they tried it they'd like it. You might think this, but try to imagine the case where they did not. This topic was discussed two years ago in the human-nets-digest (which since appears to have died). At that time I was living with a daughter of two artists. Her father is the art chairman at Claremont and her mother is a distinguished artist in her own right. There are certainly some performance artists like Laurie Anderson who use computers, but you should see her film "Home of the Brave." The artistic community does not think as scientists and engineers do. The basic values they have differ considerably, but they they might use some of the same technological means toward their ends: self-expression. Yes, many are Extremely fearful of our technology (part of the expression in "Home"). Others adopt the technology wholeheartedly (my near in-laws would call the "Commercial Artists" ;-). Much of the artistic community wants to defie labelling and categorization (part of the harm of modern science). Just when you think you understand some people art, they purposefully dodge and change their opinions. This is their way. Well, what can you do? Well, not much right now. Teleconferencing and mail systems are too crude for some of the visual arts. Many artists are NOT verbal people, flaming would only force them further into burrows and Hobbit holes. If you could add visual and audio media this would be a start (Imagine Picasso using RCS to save "Girl before a Mirror?"). You can certainly show ACM/SIGGRAPH slides and video tapes, but this is the commercial art world and strictly visual (like MTV). You can let them play with things like Macs (also helpful, but not enough). By all means, do not brow-beat. It only reinforces some of their negative views of technology. Play it by ear. Don't force the particular use of an application, I saw Scott Kim do some fun things with applications beyond what was intended (in terms of animation). --eugene miya Bay Area ACM/SIGGRAPH