Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!utgpu!water!watnot!watmath!clyde!rutgers!sri-spam!mordor!lll-lcc!ames!ucbcad!ucbvax!SUMEX-AIM.STANFORD.EDU!MRC%PANDA From: MRC%PANDA@SUMEX-AIM.STANFORD.EDU.UUCP Newsgroups: mod.protocols.tcp-ip Subject: Re: GOSIP Message-ID: <12285600801.8.MRC@PANDA> Date: Wed, 11-Mar-87 15:20:48 EST Article-I.D.: PANDA.12285600801.8.MRC Posted: Wed Mar 11 15:20:48 1987 Date-Received: Fri, 13-Mar-87 02:07:58 EST References: <[SRI-NIC.ARPA]10-Mar-87.06:00:24.STJOHNS> Sender: daemon@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Distribution: world Organization: The ARPA Internet Lines: 34 Approved: tcp-ip@sri-nic.arpa If OSI is to DoD the way a Lincoln Town Car is to an MGB, I guess we'll be running DoD protocols for a long long time to come. As a network programmer, I am delighted at the prospect of full employment for everybody in my field for a very long time, at US government expense. As a taxpayer, I'm outraged, and am starting to make comparisions in my mind with the Sgt. York and the B-1. I am wondering if what we are seeing is OSI having become so large and unmanagable that implementability has become a forgotten goal. I read the FTAM specification and still am not completely sure what FTAM is all about. "Eschew obfuscation" seems to have been forgotten. More to the point; I don't think the US government should be in the business of trying to establish OSI as a standard protocol. The current regime is big on "market" based decisions. If the US government sees itself as a USER of an international standard protocol but is otherwise neutral on what that protocol should be, then the current de facto international standard is TCP/IP. If OSI is so wonderful, then all the other users of network protocols -- industry, research, our foreign allies, the socialist countries(!!) -- will migrate to OSI without US government pressure being brought to bear. If OSI fails to gain such widespread acceptance, then perhaps it was a bad idea to begin with. Nobody is seriously suggesting that TCP/IP should be retained indefinitely; what we ARE saying is that there should not be *any* talk of migration until there is clearly something better available. -------