Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!mnetor!seismo!rutgers!ames!ucbcad!ucbvax!ucbarpa.Berkeley.EDU!fair From: fair@ucbarpa.Berkeley.EDU (Erik E. Fair) Newsgroups: news.stargate Subject: Re: Stargate bullshit Message-ID: <17972@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU> Date: Mon, 23-Mar-87 04:30:32 EST Article-I.D.: ucbvax.17972 Posted: Mon Mar 23 04:30:32 1987 Date-Received: Tue, 24-Mar-87 04:15:15 EST References: <103@stargate.UUCP> <301@gaia.UUCP> <759@looking.UUCP> <1913@hoptoad.uucp> Sender: usenet@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Organization: USENET Protocol Police, Western Gateway Division Lines: 43 There are two kinds of big beasts in communication law: broadcasters (e.g. commercial radio & TV stations) and common carriers (e.g. the Telephone Company). Broadcasters are legally liable for the material that they broadcast (i.e. libelous utterances, copyrighted material, and stuff determined to be "offensive to the standards of the community"). Common carriers are not legally liable for anything they carry. The USENIX Association commissioned legal research into the question: What is USENET in the eyes of communication law? The answer was presented by Susan Nycum of Bartlett, Ely, Gaston & Snow at the Dallas USENIX Conference in January 1985. In essence, the answer is that USENET is unprecedented in the law, and so we don't know. Right now, we sit in legal limbo land, waiting for the other shoe to drop. The question at the crux of John Gilmore's posting is Can Stargate qualify for common carrier status under the law, and therefore not be liable for the content of the information that they carry? USENET uses common carriers to achieve the effect of a broadcaster, but Stargate is real live satellite broadcast, hitting the entire continental U.S. from a point 22,000 miles up, so Lauren Weinstein (doubtless in consultation with others) decided early on that Stargate was a broadcaster under the law, and therefore subject to the legal restrictions that broadcasters operate under. Which resulted in the statement, from nearly day one of the project, that Stargate would only be able to carry USENET's moderated groups (or material from the umoderated groups that got passed through a Stargate moderator). So what we really end up with is How can we change Stargate so that it can qualify for common carrier status under the law? The answer to this question may be that it is not possible, or that we'd have to change Stargate too much to be useful to us. However, that question is one for a lawyer, which I'm not. Erik E. Fair ucbvax!fair fair@ucbarpa.berkeley.edu