Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!utgpu!water!watnot!watmath!clyde!rutgers!husc6!sri-unix!hplabs!decwrl!ucbvax!ucbarpa.Berkeley.EDU!fair From: fair@ucbarpa.Berkeley.EDU.UUCP Newsgroups: news.stargate Subject: Re: Stargate is a hybrid, a broadcast common carrier Message-ID: <18049@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU> Date: Sat, 28-Mar-87 17:49:40 EST Article-I.D.: ucbvax.18049 Posted: Sat Mar 28 17:49:40 1987 Date-Received: Sun, 29-Mar-87 10:30:50 EST References: <1369@ncc.UUCP> <764@looking.UUCP> Sender: usenet@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Organization: The Grande Olde Network Boys Lines: 23 Brad Templeton proposes (for the nth time since I've been reading his articles on this network) a "sender-pays" USENET. Brad, you're free to set this up in your own corner of Canada (and if memory serves me right, you *are* Looking Glass Software, and have already done so by virtue of owning your own machine, and presumably paying your own telecommunications costs), but I know of no fool who, all other things being equal, will pay for something he can otherwise get free. Please note the use of that important qualifying phrase, "all other things being equal." If Stargate expects to succeed in paying its expenses, they have to offer something above & beyond basic USENET, independent of the "broadcaster vs. common carrier" question. As long as we've got sugar-daddies in the form of the backbone group, paying the major costs of moving USENET traffic trans- and inter- continentally out-of-pocket, no one is gonna go for a transport that costs real money, and/or appears as a capital expenditure that they can't hide in the phone or other telecom bills. six year veteran of the USENET wars, Erik E. Fair ucbvax!fair fair@ucbarpa.berkeley.edu