Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!utgpu!water!watnot!watmath!clyde!rutgers!husc6!sri-unix!teknowledge-vaxc!dplatt From: dplatt@teknowledge-vaxc.UUCP Newsgroups: talk.origins,sci.bio Subject: Re: question about animal hybridization Message-ID: <10980@teknowledge-vaxc.ARPA> Date: Fri, 20-Mar-87 14:30:04 EST Article-I.D.: teknowle.10980 Posted: Fri Mar 20 14:30:04 1987 Date-Received: Sun, 22-Mar-87 21:30:07 EST References: <3353@ihlpa.ATT.COM> Organization: Teknowledge, Inc., Palo Alto CA Lines: 20 Xref: utgpu talk.origins:439 sci.bio:158 In-reply-to: lew@ihlpa.ATT.COM's message of 20 Mar 87 15:48:29 GMT Posting-Front-End: GNU Emacs 18.33.2 of Fri Feb 13 1987 on teknowledge-vaxc (berkeley-unix) Lew Mammel, Jr. asks, > My question is, is there an example of this intransitivity among > known populations of animals? ( N.B. animals, not plants! ) I'm not sure about the biological angle (intergroup fertility), but I'm pretty sure that there is at least one known case involving the standard definition of species (intergroup interbreeding). There is a "ring" of species of arctic birds (gulls, I believe) that exhibits this sort of behavior. As I recall, the species are believed to have diverged from one parent stock, by progressive migration in an eastwards direction over a fairly long period of time. Adjacent groups can (and do?) interbreed, with one exception. If you go to the point at which the circle "wraps around" to the point at which it started, you'll find that the species that "wrapped around" has diverged sufficiently from the original variety (which still populates that area) that the two do not (cannot?) interbreed viably. Sorry I don't remember the details on this... I'll see if I can dig them up sometime soon.