Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!utgpu!water!watnot!watmath!clyde!rutgers!ames!pioneer!eugene From: eugene@pioneer.UUCP Newsgroups: sci.bio,sci.astro Subject: Re: Mass extinctions (atmospheric energy balance) Message-ID: <1140@ames.UUCP> Date: Wed, 1-Apr-87 14:42:16 EST Article-I.D.: ames.1140 Posted: Wed Apr 1 14:42:16 1987 Date-Received: Sat, 4-Apr-87 08:39:32 EST References: <6760@alice.uUCp> <496@uokmax.UUCP> <1682@whuts.UUCP> Sender: usenet@ames.UUCP Reply-To: eugene@pioneer.UUCP (Eugene Miya N.) Organization: NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, Calif. Lines: 132 Keywords: green house and nuclear winter Xref: utgpu sci.bio:207 sci.astro:784 In article <1682@whuts.UUCP> wv@whuts.UUCP (54299-DUNCAN,W.) writes: >In article <496@uokmax.UUCP> david@uokmax.UUCP (David Lee Cox) writes: >>I really like this discussion, but am a little confused about a couple of >>things, What would volcanoes, or meteors do that could cause mass extinctions? > >I am no expert on the subject, but I have heard that if enough debris is >deposited in the upper atmosphere (possibly by volcanoes or a collision >of Earth with large meteors or an asteroid), a resulting cooling trend >could change the climate quickly enough to cause mass extinctions to take >place. If anyone could explain this further, I would like to see it >discussed further. > > Bill Ok, as simple as I can think of it. Because I fear you will get some incomplete explanation. These are examples of a class of climatic energy balance models (big words for things like rain cycles etc.). We will cover chemistry, physics (radiative transfer) and a bit of astronomy and biology. Anyway, you have a planet like the earth. If it just sat there it would have a temperature: cold for sure. So we add a star which heats the planet and eventually reaches a stable temperature. The net energy at stable state is 0. If it were positive, it would be warming, if it were negative it would cool. The side which faces the star transfers heat around to the dark side which radiates heat away, any it's all stable. Oh note, we assume the star has a constant temperature (energy) and that this is important because the color of the is related to temperature and the distributions of light (called colors blues, yellows, reds, but also IR, UV). More one this. need graphics: planet star (assume const. output) not to scale <-heat away- O <-heat in- O net energy gain == 0 The problem comes from the fact we have an atmosphere, and one of diversely different gases. It takes chemistry to understand the effect of the different gases on light (energy transport mechanism). Fortunately, the effect of the gases is simply a sum (not gestalt or emergent effects). The certain gases act like a filters (there are also particulates). The fact is this is one of the reasons why the sky is blue and sunsets are red: the types and the distances which light energy must travel to reach the ground (an esthetic aside!). (closeup) | ^ | | sun:short wave long wave | | v | ========================ground============================ Q == 0 | absorbed: heat conducted away and "out the back side" v Now assume for a moment that the atmosphere was just one homogeneous gas with the properties of all other gases combined. What the light does is hit the solid earth (ooops I mentioned a planet name!) at one frequency (short wavelength). Some of this energy is conducted away, some is reflected (light that you and I see), but most is converted to a longer wavelength (IR) energy and radiated out into space (our temperature). This conversion of energy is critical, but it is a bottleneck in our understanding. Now, if you were to try and image (not view) the sun thru the atmosphere from the surface of the earth, you would find that in the UV and IR regions the sun is basically dark. Very little solar UV and IR gets thru (but still significant), most of our light is in the visible spectrum (.55) or note: we have evolved into visible light "seeing" creatures. This because most of the emitted radiation from the sun is in the visible wavelengths and because the Ozone (O sub 3), CO2, NOx and other gases higher up filter out these wavelengths (again why the sky is blue). These gases BTW tend to be in the topopause and the stratosphere. Okay this is the stable state. | | ^ v | | ----------------------atmosphere----------------------- filtering | ^ | | sun:short wave long wave (emitted, some long wave reflected) | | v | ========================ground============================ Q == 0 Now, change the concentrations of ozone, C02, NOx, and particulates ala a volcano, meteor, or nuclear winter. If ozone is destroyed more short wave energy reaches the ground (things get warmer). Or if more CO2 is injected into the air (here's the neat part of the model), it gets warmer because of secondary effect: short wave light comes in thru the CO2, turns to long-wave (IR) which tries to leave, but CO2 is opaque to longer-wave lengths (in fact it's called a CO2 window). This is Keeling's Green House effect (warming). This is venus's energy balance (comparative planetology 101). | | v | ----------------------atmosphere----------------------- CO2 filtering | ^ (trapped energy can't get out heat!) | | sun:short wave long wave (emitted, some long wave reflected) | | v | ========================ground============================ Q == 0 Also, relatively large particles in the air (smoke, clouds) reflect visible light before it hits the ground (stays short wave). Preventing ground warming (cooling). The sum total of all this is climate and weather (local) and can be expressed in systems of linear (largely) and partial differential equations (a problem being the data granularity [why weather forecasts are not better O(n^3) data requirements]). Now the problem with long prediction is: what are the real effects? Do we warm until we are cooked? Or do we warm until some secondary effect like lots of water vapor clouds and particles reflect all incoming light and we cool and have an ice age? Good question, wish some one knew we could go on and solve other problems. NOBODY KNOWS FOR SURE. Are you can see, some of this is a bit complex (a data management problem you just have to keep the actions and interactions staight) but understandable (like Eistein said). I've oversimplified a lot. Keep sending those tax dollars in. From the Rock of Ages Home for Retired Hackers: --eugene miya NASA Ames Research Center eugene@ames-aurora.ARPA "You trust the `reply' command with all those different mailers out there?" "Send mail, avoid follow-ups. If enough, I'll summarize." {hplabs,hao,ihnp4,decwrl,allegra,tektronix,menlo70}!ames!aurora!eugene