Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!utgpu!water!watnot!watmath!clyde!rutgers!mit-eddie!cybvax0!mrh From: mrh@cybvax0.UUCP Newsgroups: talk.origins,sci.bio Subject: Re: mass extinctions Message-ID: <1415@cybvax0.UUCP> Date: Mon, 6-Apr-87 12:16:59 EST Article-I.D.: cybvax0.1415 Posted: Mon Apr 6 12:16:59 1987 Date-Received: Thu, 9-Apr-87 03:24:02 EST References: <3366@udenva.UUCP> Reply-To: mrh@cybvax0.UUCP (Mike Huybensz) Organization: Cybermation, Inc., Cambridge, MA Lines: 35 Keywords: Adaptablity Xref: utgpu talk.origins:506 sci.bio:247 In article <3366@udenva.UUCP> agranok@udenva.UUCP (Alexander Granok) writes: > As far as I can tell, the reason for the sharks surviving while the ichthyo- > saurs all died has nothing to do with the model itself, but probably lies > somewhere in the area of adaptability. When the food sources ran out, the > sharks could make use of other types, whereas the marine dinosaurs couldn't. While these just-so stories are mere speculation, "adaptability" may have nothing to do with it, while preadaptation might. An asteroidial winter scenario proposes a general famine. Sharks, with their extremely low metabolic rate, are pre-adapted to survive famines. Ichthyosaurs might not have been. Many surviving lineages of once-predominant groups (such as lizards, snakes, turtles, lampreys, lungfish, nautalus, [coelocanth?], and salamanders) are notable for having very low metabolic rates and the ability to survive long periods without food. If there was a nuclear winter, we might well expect whales and dolphins to become extinct because of their high metabolic rate, while sharks might survive unchanged. > It's the same sort of thing with coyotes and wolves today. No it's not. Wolves have been exterminated by humans, because when their normal food sources were swept aside to make room for domesticated animals, they adapted by eating the domesticated animals. It has been cost effective for humans to wipe out wolves (for assorted reasons), but not coyotes. -- "An important scientific innovation rarely makes its way by gradually winning over and converting its opponents... What does happen is that its opponents gradually die out, and that the growing generation is familiarized with the ideas from the beginning." Max Planck -- Mike Huybensz ...decvax!genrad!mit-eddie!cybvax0!mrh