Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!utgpu!water!watmath!clyde!rutgers!husc6!think!ames!ptsfa!varian!vaxwaller!cw From: cw@vaxwaller.UUCP Newsgroups: comp.arch Subject: Cloning the new IBMs without violating copyrights Message-ID: <766@vaxwaller.UUCP> Date: Wed, 15-Apr-87 19:38:14 EST Article-I.D.: vaxwalle.766 Posted: Wed Apr 15 19:38:14 1987 Date-Received: Fri, 17-Apr-87 23:42:39 EST Organization: Varian, Walnut Creek CA Lines: 40 Keywords: silicon compilers reverse engineering IBM has come out with some new computers that they hope will be unclonable at least partly because they use custom chips. My understanding is that somebody could examine the chips to see how they worked and then make their own, I think this is called "reverse engineering". The problem with this is that it would violate IBM's copyrights. A comparable problem was with the BIOS on IBM's pcs. Eventually, companies hired programmers who had never seen the BIOS to write a BIOS that performed the same functions and this was considered a legal thing to do. I suppose therefore, that a company could design chips from scratch that would perform the same way as IBM's chips. I am a software type and may be hopelessly naive about what's involved. I've read that silicon compilers and other design tools are making it easier and easier to design chips, is this kind of project still unthinkably difficult? Also, it's been suggested that IBM may have put features in the chips that they aren't telling anyone about, so that if somebody sweated blood and came out with chips that performed the known functions, suddenly IBM would announce new capabilities. Maybe one party has to look inside the chips to see what else may be there, and then advise another party what kinds of things to check out, without being so specific that they would violate copyright info, the second party would then analyze the chips as black boxes before trying to roll their own. Another clone discouraging factor is supposed to be that IBM has designed their new computers so that it can make them very cheaply, however the price seems to be high. I suppose this is so IBM has a lot of latitude for price cutting if necessary. I guess, what I'm wondering is, "how unclonable are the new IBM's?". I've never owned or worked with any IBM computers, or even clones of IBM computers, but I am interested in how the micro-computer market and products may evolve. I have this vague feeling that it would be a bad thing (or is a bad thing) that one company should dominate a market or industry too much. That's a subject for a different article however. Regards, Carl Weidling