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From: edwards@uwmacc.UUCP
Newsgroups: comp.edu
Subject: Re: Cheating (Is defined by the court room)
Message-ID: <1391@uwmacc.UUCP>
Date: Wed, 15-Apr-87 16:28:30 EST
Article-I.D.: uwmacc.1391
Posted: Wed Apr 15 16:28:30 1987
Date-Received: Fri, 17-Apr-87 06:27:09 EST
References: <6567@bu-cs.BU.EDU>
Reply-To: edwards@unix.macc.wisc.edu.UUCP (mark edwards)
Organization: UW-Madison Academic Computer Center
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In article <6567@bu-cs.BU.EDU> bzs@bu-cs.BU.EDU (Barry Shein) writes:
:
:>      Forgive me but, please try to explain it once more. You seem to
:>    have a clear understanding of it. I wish to, also.
:>
:>    mark
:
:No thank you, you have reduced the argument to a sophomoric level of
:"what can we know absolutely?"

  If the desire to understand is "sophomoric" than so be it.

:Nothing. Cheating is simply what you are "convicted" of in front of
:whatever due process mechanism is available to hear such cases. 
:
:To quote Clarence Darrow:
:
:	"Justice has nothing to do with what goes on in the courtroom,
:	 Justice is what comes out of the courtroom."

  Thank you. I now understand what you mean.

:Save your nihilistic arguments for the academic review boards (they'll
:be most amused) and go ahead and copy everything you want and not
:document it. In the end, you're the one that gets cheated anyhow. Why
:do you think anyone really gives a shit if you learn a thing for your
:time and money if you are determined not to? I'd personally rather
:spend my time with *students* who appreciate the meaning of that term
:rather than miscreants with a "grade at any cost" attitude and silly
:rationalizations to back up their in fact self-serving attitudes.

   The above argument seemed to be aimed at me. I do not like the tone.
   And it does not apply to me. I already have a BS, but I work full
   time and I am presently studying a different discipline. The tone
   of your argument is that of a "hanging judge" who angers at being
   asked questions he does not agree with. If it was aimed at me I
   pity the students who come in contact with you, except for their 
   chance to have a well rounded experience with all sorts of people.

   mark
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