Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!utgpu!water!watmath!clyde!rutgers!ames!ucbcad!ucbvax!SUMEX-AIM.STANFORD.EDU!SCHMIDT From: SCHMIDT@SUMEX-AIM.STANFORD.EDU.UUCP Newsgroups: comp.laser-printers Subject: Re: PostScript vs DDL vs Interpress (was PostSript Printers) Message-ID: <8704171636.AA10486@brillig.umd.edu> Date: Fri, 10-Apr-87 18:59:01 EST Article-I.D.: brillig.8704171636.AA10486 Posted: Fri Apr 10 18:59:01 1987 Date-Received: Sat, 18-Apr-87 06:37:01 EST References: <485@unirot.UUCP> Sender: daemon@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Distribution: world Organization: The ARPA Internet Lines: 56 Approved: laser-lovers@brillig.umd.edu Since there are few people who have actually seen an Interpress and/or DDL printer, it's hard for anyone to say anything that isn't based on some manufacturer's claim or second-hand knowledge. I think Interpress printers have been on the market since 1982. We got our Xerox 8046 in January, 1985. [...] Xerox says that Interpress is designed for speed and is faster than PostScript. Considering that the only version of Interpress that's available now doesn't do graphics, only text and scanned images (no vector graphics, clipping, or rotation of text), I can see why it's fast. Ours does vector graphics, clipping, rotation of text, and a few other things. It does have a few weaknesses. Text can be rotated only in the case that the printer possesses pre-rotated font files. (But how often do you use fonts at rotations other than 90 degrees?) It doesn't do arbitrary curves. Our Xerox workstation software computes the arbitrary curves and uses line graphics to render them...a kludge, but users don't care where the math is done. (We use Interpress 2; not 3.) I wouldn't say that the 8046 is a fast printer. For speed we (Stanford Knowledge Systems Lab) use 7 Imagen laser printers, all on ethernet. All of them (8/300, 12/300, 3320) generally operate at the rated speed of the print engines (8, 12, and 20 ppm). Re: DDL-- I think DDL was invented mainly in the hope of chilling postscript. Back when the LaserWriter was the only PS machine on the market and Imagen was touting the 3320 and DDL, we decided to give PS a miss and buy the 3320 since the speed of the Apple was too low and, well, DDL was going to be even better than PS, right? As it turns out, DDL is not available on the 3320. (I re-read my junk mail, and, sure enough, Imagen never actually promised that DDL would run on any of their extant laser printers; just that it was a better PDL than PS.) I called Imagen when the 3320 arrived and they said that they had no plans ever to support DDL on the IP/II series of printers. A back-of-the-envelope calculation indicated that the Impress page description language (supported on all Imagen IP/II products) is adequate for 99.6% of the half million pages we print each year, so I still believe we went with the right product, if not my favorite PDL (which is, in fact Postscript). To accomodate the 0.4% of the print jobs that require PS, we bought a LaserWriter and that, in turn, encouraged some people to switch from other drawing tools to MacDraw, and now 0.8% of our print jobs go out in PS. The overwhelming majority of our users (probably more impatient than the average, since many were weaned on 60 ppm Xerox dovers) prefer speed to the potential of arbitrarily transformed fonts, etc.. I sure wish Imagen would offer a Postscript emulator for the IP/II series of printers. Then (I think) we'd have the best of all worlds. --Christopher Schmidt -------