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From: upl@puff.WISC.EDU (Future Unix Gurus)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga
Subject: Re: Turbo Pascal Rumor
Message-ID: <672@puff.WISC.EDU>
Date: Sun, 19-Apr-87 16:10:30 EST
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Posted: Sun Apr 19 16:10:30 1987
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Reply-To: upl@puff.WISC.EDU (Future Unix Gurus)
Organization: U of Wisconsin CS Dept
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Keywords: Pascal, Kahn, looks grim

In article <3858@sdcc3.ucsd.EDU> ma183say@sdcc3.ucsd.edu.UUCP (Lee Fountain) writes:
>
>  I remember reading somewhere that Commodore somehow p o'd Borland
>  and even though they had already run a full page ad (T-Pascal) in AmigaWorld,
>  they decided not to produce it.  I called them a year or so ago
>  about T-Pascal, they said that they were working on it and it
>  would be out that summer.  That was apparently before the p o.
>
>  So what did I do? I bought the successor to Pascal, Modula-2, and
>  won't go back to Pascal (yuk, how primitive).
Me too, same story, same result! (BOY am I glad Borland f$%#!ed up on
the Pascal. Otherwise I probobly never would have learned M2!
>
>  If you are not comfortable with or cannot afford C, I highly
>  recommend Modula-2 from TDI.  The transition from Pascal to M2 is
>  simple, and you'll quickly realize the improvements.  The latest
>  version even has an error-editor similar to T-Pascal (places the
>  cursor at the error location, identifies the error).  Also,
>  execution time is supposedly faster then either of the two latest
>  versions of C; I'd be glad to test that claim...

I also recommend it, but with reservations. The new editor screws up
alot- its still really buggy. Often it will get into a state where instead
of showing me my errors, it puts a line and a half of spaces at the top of
my file (wierd). Worse, if I edit a file very much, I will find that it will
sometimes lock on me when it hits an error pointer. Anoying. Would be a crtical
problem if I didn't have the ASDG recoverable ramdisk.
Third problem I got my updates OK, but my new manual is still backordered.
I found ALOT of new routines and features that the 5 page release sheet
that came with my update didn't mention, wonder what else I'm missing....
I still recommend it to anybody who, like me, knows and despises C !
>
>  You will still have to learn C if you wish to write any serious
>  code for the Amiga as all of the examples are written in C (->RKM),
>  barring the ones that come with M2.
Not true. They offer a full demo disk now that has all the RKM demos
re-written in MODULA2, as well as a number of neat small applications
programs. At worse, you will only have to learn to read C, not write
it anyway. Believe me theres a BIG difference between the two!
>
By the way, I'm interested in swapping modules with anyone else doing
developent work on the Amiga in TDI M2. Drop me an email if you're
interested.

Jeff Kesselman
uhura!captain@puff.cs.wisc.edu