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From: JOSEPH@RED.RUTGERS.EDU.UUCP
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Subject: Kbox/Kip problems
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Date: Wed, 25-Mar-87 18:19:25 EST
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Rutgers University purchased its first Kinetics Fastpath Standalone
about three weeks ago.   We imported the 10/86 version of Kip to run
on it and Cap 3.0 to run on our pyramid 90x.   After installing the
gateway we used the MPW MacTelnet of 2/20/87 to verify the gateway's
correct operation.  We were able to reach all of our hosts and TFTP
worked ok.  

We then began installing cap and testing EFSD.  We got it running and
were about to announce the new functionality to our user community in
general when we ran into the following snag:

The Kbox seems to crash at random times and will not restart on power
up.  The box will sometimes run for 3-4 days and other times will
crash after 12-16 hours.  The 10/86 version of Kip would flood the
appletalk network with packets when it crashed and would not answer
pings on the Ethernet side. This week we have imported the new
version of Kip and it also crashes.   It does not seem to impact the
Appletalk side the same way when it freaks out, but it also will not
answer pings on the Ether side.  When the gateway is crashed, the
Kinetics PROMPT program can not find a gateway until I switch it off
and back on again.


Questions:

1) if the gateway is running, and I switch it off and back on, should
it restart again all by itself?   I assume it would just reload its
routing tables via ATALKAD running on our PYRAMID.

2) If it should but does not, is there any way I can diagnose whether
the problem is in hardware (the Kbox) or software?

3) Has anyone else experienced this problem?  How stable is this
software?  Should I expect it to run bug free for weeks or is this
typical performance?

4) We are running MacServe 2.2 on this network. Could it be
interacting?  Has anyone else put a gateway on a MacServe Appletalk
network?  Are there known incompatabilities?

5) MacTelnet seems to take an awfully long time to realize that the
gateway is down.  It will often sit for 3-5 minutes before complaining
that it cannot get an IP address from the gateway.  Is there any way
to shorten this wait?

Thank you for your help.

Seymour Joseph
Systems programmer/Microcomputers

P.S.  Is the terminal emulation in MacTelnet being worked on?  Its
vt100 is really marginal.  It does not seem to do upscrolls properly.
(Enter Emacs, type two lines, move the cursor back to the beginning of
the first and then type two control-K's.  This should kill the first
line and then kill the line break and move the second line up.  You
never see the second line move.  If you do a Control-L you will see
that the command did get executed.)
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