Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!utgpu!water!watnot!watmath!clyde!rutgers!sri-unix!hplabs!ucbvax!A.ISI.EDU!CERF From: CERF@A.ISI.EDU.UUCP Newsgroups: mod.protocols.tcp-ip Subject: Re: Station wagon full of bits Message-ID: <[A.ISI.EDU]25-Mar-87.08:08:34.CERF> Date: Wed, 25-Mar-87 08:08:00 EST Article-I.D.: <[A.ISI.EDU]25-Mar-87.08:08:34.CERF> Posted: Wed Mar 25 08:08:00 1987 Date-Received: Fri, 27-Mar-87 01:44:02 EST References: <8703242139.AA00170@apolling.imagen.uucp> Sender: daemon@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Distribution: world Organization: The ARPA Internet Lines: 39 Approved: tcp-ip@sri-nic.arpa Never confuse bandwidth with timeliness and utility. For example, take the highest density storage medium you can think of - say the 10**10 bits per square inch optical storage disks, put a stack of them in a knapsack. Walk from east coast to west coast: The 14" disk has about pi*(5)**2 sq inches and you can put about 100 of these disks into the sack (at 1/2 pound each that would be a reasonable 50 lbs). At an average speed of 3 mph for 10 hours a day, it would take 100 days or 100*86,400 seconds. So you have roughly: (22/7)*25*10**10 bits per disk = 7.86 * 10**10 bits per disk 100 disks = 7.8 * 10**12 bits At 3 mph for 10 hrs/day it takes 100 days to go 3000 miles. 100 days at 86,400 seconds/24 hr day = 8.6 * 10**6 seconds So the coast to coast data rate for Johnny Appleseed is: 7.8/8.6 * 10**5 = about .9 * 10**5 = 90 kb/s which is about double the bandwidth you can get out of an unloaded ARPANET with today's 56 kb/s backbone. But few applications can deal with 100 day transmisstion/propagation delay. If people want to pursue this line of reasoning, I suggest that we invent a new unit of transmission: Appleseeds which are measured in Megabytes per Fortnight. Since a Megabyte per Fortnight is about a Megabyte in 14 days which works out to close to 1 byte per second, it is easy to see that the optical disk/Adidas method yields roughly 90 kiloAppleseeds. Vint