Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!utgpu!water!watnot!watmath!clyde!rutgers!ames!ucbcad!ucbvax!MITRE.ARPA!mckee From: mckee@MITRE.ARPA.UUCP Newsgroups: mod.protocols.tcp-ip Subject: Re: Station wagon full of bits Message-ID: <8703271845.AA29686@mitre.ARPA> Date: Fri, 27-Mar-87 13:45:10 EST Article-I.D.: mitre.8703271845.AA29686 Posted: Fri Mar 27 13:45:10 1987 Date-Received: Sat, 28-Mar-87 14:36:26 EST References: <8703260316.AA23501@flash.bellcore.com> Sender: daemon@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Distribution: world Organization: The MITRE Corp., Washington, D.C. Lines: 37 Approved: tcp-ip@sri-nic.arpa This note is from Steve Silverman "m15368%mwvm@mitre.arpa" He's not on the tcp-ip mailing list. We have some kind of weird lash-up here at MITRE with a curious lack of transitivity: Steve can send to me; you and I can send to Steve, but Steve can't send to you. Anyway ..... ________________________________ To: KARN%FLASH.BELLCORE.COM From: Steve Silverman Subject: future networks I just received a copy of your message of 3/25 on future nets. I agree with you and the current direction of network evolution as developing in T1D1 and SG XVIII supports what you said. Frame relay uses LAPD on each end with the transit switches just relaying the frames. This allows very low transit delay and high capacity switches. AT&T is supposedly testing a megapacket/second switch. The Bellcore contingent at T1D1 is fairly active in this. Do you know Kaj Tesink? (I don't know how to spell his name but I think he works for Joan LaBanca.) (Kaj rhymes with sky.) Frame Relay is a complete violation of the OSI model but nobody wants to admit it. In my view, the fiber-optic explosion has invalidated the details of the OSI model. The FO error rate is low enough that it no longer pays to do error checking and retransmission on a link by link basis. I think that the deployment of ISDN equipment in the 88-91 timeframe will will be a major shock to the current networking world. Running layer 2 end to end will make layer 3 redundant. (Except we are moving some of the layer 3 functionality into Q.931 (the call control protocol).) Most of the data networking world is oblivious to ISDN. I still hear statements that it won't happen until the next century. I think that by 1990, ISDN will be in serious use in many places. Steve Silverman