Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!utgpu!water!watnot!watmath!clyde!rutgers!ames!ucbcad!ucbvax!PURDUE.EDU!narten From: narten@PURDUE.EDU.UUCP Newsgroups: mod.protocols.tcp-ip Subject: Re: Tcp/Ip vs a store & forward network Message-ID: <8703300117.AA15165@gwen.cs.purdue.edu> Date: Sun, 29-Mar-87 20:16:58 EST Article-I.D.: gwen.8703300117.AA15165 Posted: Sun Mar 29 20:16:58 1987 Date-Received: Tue, 31-Mar-87 01:49:32 EST References: <8703300006.AA19177@arthur.cs.purdue.edu> Sender: daemon@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Distribution: world Organization: The ARPA Internet Lines: 22 Approved: tcp-ip@sri-nic.arpa One big problem with S&F networks is the lack of end-to-end acks. Once you drop a "transaction" (e.g. batch ftp or piece of mail) in the queue of one of the intermediate nodes, it is out of your hands. You don't know where it is, and you can't find out. How many times have you sent mail into a black hole? It happens much more often in store and forward networks than in the TCP world. Based on my experience, when I send mail over TCP to a user, I feel very confident that it gets to them. If the mail gets lost, its almost always because the mail subsystem at the receiving site is messed up. Sending mail through mail lists (which puts in an extra S&F hop) is also pretty reliably, though not as much. On the other hand, when mailing via one of the S&F networks, my confidence falls rapidly as the number of hops increases. You might argue that the reliability of S&F networks could be improved. No matter how reliable you make them, you will still be left with a system where everything you drop in disappears, and there is no way of finding out where it is until it comes out at the other end (if it does). Not too good when you just sent an important message. Thomas