Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!utgpu!water!watnot!watmath!clyde!rutgers!mit-eddie!genrad!decvax!ucbvax!A.ISI.EDU!LYNCH From: LYNCH@A.ISI.EDU.UUCP Newsgroups: mod.protocols.tcp-ip Subject: Re: My Broadcast Message-ID: <8704061653.AA16642@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> Date: Mon, 6-Apr-87 12:35:16 EST Article-I.D.: ucbvax.8704061653.AA16642 Posted: Mon Apr 6 12:35:16 1987 Date-Received: Wed, 8-Apr-87 04:36:43 EST References: <1987.4.5.16.35.48.Rudy.Nedved@h.cs.cmu.edu> Sender: daemon@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Distribution: world Organization: The ARPA Internet Lines: 26 Approved: tcp-ip@sri-nic.arpa Well, Looks like we have (re)uncovered a can of mixed worms here. The example I gave was definitely in the "security" area and you should note that the method used to get it fixed involved exactly one "outside site", the site of the author of the operating system. The example of the broadcast that went "astray" is more accurately described as an "integrity" issue. With integrity one is concerned that the "system/facility" stay alive and functional under both normal use and many forms of abnormality. What we are learning with some of the facilities for message sending is that our "internet" is very highly connected and even can be considered to be too highly connected for some forms of (even innocent) misbehavior. How do we benefit from what we have learned thus far? Dennis has suggested that one of the manufacturers fix some code and/or defaults and/or procedures in its releases. I'm sure other manufacturers can do likewise should they also exhibit the same misfeatures in their offerings. But the big thing that we need to understand is that we do not understand how to live in these highly connected internets yet. Much more research needs to happen in the area of intergroup interactions. And much more tolerance needs to be exhibited towards those who are probing the edges of all this. Dan -------