Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!utgpu!water!watnot!watmath!clyde!rutgers!ames!ucbcad!ucbvax!jade!jkh From: jkh@jade.UUCP Newsgroups: mod.rec.guns Subject: Submission for mod-rec-guns Message-ID: <2966@jade.BERKELEY.EDU> Date: Mon, 30-Mar-87 02:51:49 EST Article-I.D.: jade.2966 Posted: Mon Mar 30 02:51:49 1987 Date-Received: Thu, 2-Apr-87 01:05:14 EST Organization: U.C. Berkeley Lines: 32 Approved: jkh@ucbjade Author: Mark O'Shea Article: 3:40 .In-Reply-To: <2597@jade.BERKELEY.EDU. - Frank Warren . .I disagree with the advice to use such small shot. Even at close ranges .#8 would most likely produce mayhem but not lethal force. #4 buck is as .large as I would go but I would think very hard before using anything .smaller than BB. A 12 gauge generally has muzzle energy comparable to .a 30-06 but you can spread it too fine. Very small shot dissipates all .of its energy in barely 2-3 inches of penetration -- fine for birds, and .less than half of what is needed, according to study, for a stopping-grade .hit. It is definitely not enough for someone high enough on drugs or .adrenalin or psychosis to attack a man holding a shotgun. The truth .probably lies somewhere between #4 buck and BBs. Frank, Would you believe that a 20ga skeet load of #9s at 15 feet will penetrate 3 pieces of 1/2" sheet rock. Leaving a hole about 3" thru the three pieces and putting a bulge in a fourth piece. That was, by the way, out of a skeet choked barrel. I did it last year as an experiment with some old sheet rock I was going to get rid of. The pieces were 2-1/2" apart. About the same as a house wall. You can draw whatever conclusions you wish from this. -- Mark O'Shea marko@tekecs.GWD.TEK Tektronix, Inc. Willieville, Orygun