Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!utgpu!water!watmath!mgvax!root From: root@mgvax.UUCP Newsgroups: talk.religion.misc,news.admin,news.sysadmin Subject: Re: From the REAL Ken Arndt??? Message-ID: <533@mgvax.UUCP> Date: Sat, 18-Apr-87 20:04:15 EST Article-I.D.: mgvax.533 Posted: Sat Apr 18 20:04:15 1987 Date-Received: Sun, 19-Apr-87 05:44:11 EST References: <9322@decwrl.DEC.COM> <666@prometheus.UUCP> <532@mgvax.UUCP> Organization: Mike Gore, Waterloo Ont. Canada Lines: 204 Xref: utgpu talk.religion.misc:2592 news.admin:288 news.sysadmin:101 Summary: more info This is a follow up to my last posting. See also <1128@cartan.Berkely.EDU> for other possible related details, this may repeat some of what Gene has said...: The following 4 postings in talk.religion.misc are *_fakes_*: <606@prometheus.UUCP> <607@prometheus.UUCP> <9578@decwrl.DEC.COM> <666@prometheus.UUCP> The content of this postings contains evidence to attempt to support this claim. Various reference articles are used for dates , messages-ids and default posting paths... Other messages are included that reference Ken Arndt or Paul Koloc in the subject line. Checking the map database shows that Paul Kaloc could not have forged the messages because he does not share an interconnect to a machine that could forge a path found in the faked articles above. Ken Arndt could not have likely faked the messages either because in one case the posting did not have the correct path and the two other cases had the incorrect site/interconnect according to the map database... It is possible to find out where the articles were faked IF several people from various sites were to provide the 'Path:' line found in the above faked messages. Checking the messages against the map database should verify the site at which the messages were faked. However, it is still possible that an aliased account exists on a machine that allows the faked postings to be done remotely. It is still possible to have site admins check their log/history files to see if this has happened. A very serious problem is evident in that the faked article will in fact _bounce_ REAL articles from 'prometheus' and 'decwrl' when the 'seq' file reaches the number found in the faked posting... Paul Koloc has also had several of his postings tampered with by a valspeak filter. Paul has had to issue various cancel messages for those postings he found that were tampered with. I feel that this problem is very serious and urge site admins to participate in helping to find out who is doing this... Hopefully the data in this posting will help. <618@prometheus.UUCP> 04/07/87 11:57 **** ID reference, next 619 Path: mgvax!watmath!clyde!rutgers!seismo!mimsy!prometheus!pmk From: pmk@prometheus.UUCP (Paul M Koloc) Subject: Re: AIDS misinformation and Paul Koloc Date: 6 Apr 87 18:19:40 GMT <606@prometheus.UUCP> 04/11/87 22:23 **** ID error, last 618, next 619 Path: mgvax!watmath!clyde!rutgers!husc6!panda!genrad!decvax!ucbvax !prometheus.UUCP!arndt From: arndt@prometheus.UUCP (ken arndt) Subject: Re: WARNING: *** Koloc Alert *** Date: 9 Apr 87 14:59:45 GMT <607@prometheus.UUCP> 04/11/87 22:22 **** ID error, last 618, next 619 Path: mgvax!watmath!clyde!rutgers!husc6!panda!genrad!decvax!ucbvax !prometheus.UUCP!arndt From: arndt@prometheus.UUCP (ken arndt) Subject: Re: Praise for a thinking Christian Date: 9 Apr 87 15:00:15 GMT <619@prometheus.UUCP> 04/11/87 22:32 **** ID reference, last 618 Path: mgvax!watmath!clyde!rutgers!seismo!mimsy!prometheus!pmk From: pmk@prometheus.UUCP (Paul M Koloc) Subject: Re: Defense vs. Offense Date: 6 Apr 87 19:50:10 GMT <5433@eddie.MIT.EDU> 04/11/87 22:39 Path: mgvax!watmath!clyde!rutgers!mit-eddie!fh From: fh@eddie.MIT.EDU (Foothead) Subject: Re: *** Koloc Alert III *** a snub Date: 10 Apr 87 16:09:27 GMT <5506@eddie.MIT.EDU> 04/15/87 12:46 Path: mgvax!watmath!clyde!rutgers!mit-eddie!fh From: fh@eddie.MIT.EDU (Foothead) Subject: Re: prometheus."arndt".UUCP Date: 14 Apr 87 18:15:19 GMT <9322@decwrl.DEC.COM> 04/17/87 20:34 Path: mgvax!watmath!clyde!rutgers!seismo!lll-lcc!pyramid!decwrl !indian.dec.com!arndt From: arndt@indian.dec.com Subject: From the REAL Ken Arndt!!! Date: 15 Apr 87 13:50:39 GMT <5519@eddie.MIT.EDU> 04/17/87 20:32 Path: mgvax!watmath!clyde!rutgers!mit-eddie!fh From: fh@eddie.MIT.EDU (Foothead) Subject: Re: prometheus."arndt".UUCP Date: 15 Apr 87 16:07:54 GMT <9326@decwrl.DEC.COM> 04/17/87 20:50 **** ID reference, next 9376 Path: mgvax!watmath!clyde!rutgers!mit-eddie!genrad!decvax!decwrl!glenn From: glenn@decwrl.DEC.COM (Glenn Thain) Subject: Re: Evil, Aztec and otherwise (was: Far Harder...) Date: 15 Apr 87 21:44:46 GMT <5523@eddie.MIT.EDU> 04/17/87 20:54 **** ID referenced to 9326 Path: mgvax!watmath!clyde!rutgers!mit-eddie!ooblick From: ooblick@eddie.MIT.EDU (Mikki Barry) Subject: Re: Evil, Aztec and otherwise (was: Far Harder...) Date: 16 Apr 87 14:28:14 GMT <666@prometheus.UUCP> 04/17/87 20:56 **** ID error, last 619, next 647 Path: mgvax!watmath!clyde!rutgers!mit-eddie!genrad!decvax!ucbvax !prometheus.UUCP!arndt From: arndt@prometheus.UUCP (ken arndt) Subject: Re: From the REAL Ken Arndt??? Date: 16 Apr 87 14:45:49 GMT <647@prometheus.UUCP> sci.physics on watmath **** ID reference to 666 Path: watmath!clyde!rutgers!husc6!seismo!prometheus!pmk From: pmk@prometheus.UUCP (Paul M Koloc) Subject: Re: Electricity and Magnetism Date: 17 Apr 87 04:39:38 GMT <5524@eddie.MIT.EDU> 04/17/87 20:55 Path: mgvax!watmath!clyde!rutgers!mit-eddie!fh From: fh@eddie.MIT.EDU (Foothead) Subject: Re: prometheus."arndt".UUCP Date: 16 Apr 87 15:38:49 GMT <9578@decwrl.DEC.COM> 04/18/87 20:57 ***** ID error, last 9326, next 9376 Path: mgvax!watmath!clyde!rutgers!mit-eddie!genrad!decvax!ucbvax !indian.DEC.COM!arndt From: arndt@indian.DEC.COM Subject: Re: From the REAL Ken Arndt??? Date: 17 Apr 87 13:30:59 GMT <247@pyuxe.UUCP> 04/18/87 21:10 Path: mgvax!watmath!clyde!rutgers!ames!ptsfa!ihnp4!mb2c!gamma !pyuxww!pyuxe!rlr From: rlr@pyuxe.UUCP (Rich Rosen) Subject: Re: From the REAL Ken Arndt!!! Date: 17 Apr 87 15:28:55 GMT <250@pyuxe.UUCP> 04/18/87 21:10 Path: mgvax!watmath!clyde!rutgers!ames!ptsfa!ihnp4!mb2c!gamma !pyuxww!pyuxe!rlr From: rlr@pyuxe.UUCP (Rich Rosen) Subject: Re: From the REAL Ken Arndt!!! Date: 17 Apr 87 15:33:21 GMT <9376@decwrl.DEC.COM> 04/18/87 20:57 **** ID reference, last 9326 Path: mgvax!watmath!clyde!rutgers!mit-eddie!genrad!decvax!decwrl!glenn From: glenn@decwrl.DEC.COM (Glenn Thain) Subject: Re: Evil, Aztec and otherwise (was: Far Harder...) Date: 17 Apr 87 15:48:36 GMT <5544@eddie.MIT.EDU> 04/18/87 21:00 Path: mgvax!watmath!clyde!rutgers!mit-eddie!ooblick From: ooblick@eddie.MIT.EDU (Mikki Barry) Subject: Re: From the REAL Ken Arndt??? Date: 17 Apr 87 20:56:14 GMT <5549@eddie.MIT.EDU> 04/18/87 21:11 Path: mgvax!watmath!clyde!rutgers!mit-eddie!fh From: fh@eddie.MIT.EDU (Foothead) Subject: Re: From the REAL Ken Arndt??? Date: 18 Apr 87 06:49:03 GMT <1128@cartan.Berkeley.EDU> 04/18/87 21:13 Path: mgvax!watmath!clyde!rutgers!sri-spam!ames!ucbcad!ucbvax !cartan!brahms!gsmith From: gsmith@brahms.Berkeley.EDU (Gene Ward Smith) Subject: Foothead, Foothead, on the net/Who's the biggest liar yet? Date: 18 Apr 87 10:09:12 GMT ========================================================================= RE: Valspeak filter... Paul has had to cancel a few of his own messages, one such example: <648@prometheus.UUCP> talk.origins on watmath Path: watmath!clyde!rutgers!husc6!seismo!prometheus!pmk From: pmk@prometheus.UUCP Subject: cancel <627@prometheus.UUCP> Date: 17 Apr 87 06:49:18 GMT This kills a new article by this author filtered with VALSPEAK after interception and considerable detention @mimsy. [munch...] ========================================================================= On to other issues... I have had many of my postings of the last 6 weeks run into a net.bit.bucket. If anyone could do a grep on 'mgvax' in your history file and send me the results I would be greatly thankful [ I might repost ]. I am trying to find where the bit.bucket is... _IF_ there is one , as opposed to the general natural problems with sites dropping news do to hardware/software faults that are all to common... Best Regards, # At Home: watmath!mgvax!root, watmath!mgvax!mike # Note: do not use an '@' in a path to 'mgvax' (old mail software)