Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!utgpu!water!watmath!clyde!cbatt!ucbvax!cartan!brahms!gsmith From: gsmith@brahms.UUCP Newsgroups: news.misc,news.sysadmin,talk.religion.misc Subject: Re: Foothead, Foothead, on the net/Who's the biggest liar yet? Message-ID: <1129@cartan.Berkeley.EDU> Date: Wed, 22-Apr-87 07:08:23 EST Article-I.D.: cartan.1129 Posted: Wed Apr 22 07:08:23 1987 Date-Received: Fri, 24-Apr-87 00:01:25 EST References: <1128@cartan.Berkeley.EDU> <3198@mirror.TMC.COM> Sender: daemon@cartan.Berkeley.EDU Reply-To: gsmith@brahms.Berkeley.EDU (Gene Ward Smith) Followup-To: news.misc,news.sysadmin Organization: Brahms Gang Posting Central Lines: 78 Xref: utgpu news.misc:285 news.sysadmin:119 talk.religion.misc:2618 In article <3198@mirror.TMC.COM>, rs@mirror (Rich Salz) writes: >Nice work in tracking down what's going on, fellows; I appreciate >it, as do many others on the net, I'm sure. Many thanks Rich, but much is still unclear. Certain things would be nice to clarify. Certain other things will probably never be genuinely known. The eddie sysadmins are no longer interested. It will probably never be known whether Lee Harvey Foothead was acting alone... rlr@pyuxe (the original and genuine Rich Rosen) wishes to declare his innocence in the whole affair. We know from the logs that fh@eddie was sending e-mail to both rlr@borax and rlr@pyuxe separately. In particu- lar, we conjecture that fh@eddie knew that the .forward file at rlr@borax was changed. The real Rich Rosen tells us further that he has changed his rlr@borax password since this all broke out in the open. (This is why we are cross-posting back to *.religion and even posting again--Rich Rosen has gotten e-mail congratulating him for his clever Arndt sendups, and wants us to be more explicit.) We also know, according to the logs, that no one *but* fh@eddie sent e-mail to rlr@borax the week before the phony article <666@prometheus> was posted. We should have mentioned this the first time around, but it did not occur to us that this negative item had separate significance. Along these lines, we received mail from a long-time reader of *.religion to the effect that six weeks ago or so he saw fh@eddie remotely logged on to rlr@borax. Matthew and I are also a bit taken aback at the abrupt sinking of the fh@eddie account. We were having our little fun, casting our net of little clue by little clue, baiting the Fishhead. We're confident he will flounder in from some other port and muddy the waters well. (OK, so we've overfished our metaphors. So sue us.) We do not claim the evidence we found was conclusive of anything, nor do we believe that "proof", short of a notarized confession, even exists in any true sense as a philosophical point, so your insistence on such, Mikki, was completely unrealistic. Hell, it's not generally known who "Foothead" really is in the first place. For all we can tell, some super clever hacker who hates fh@eddie to the core was setting him up for the big fall, confident that the brahms gang would track down the news, mail and login logs on four machines that he purposely forged just for this purpose. We doubt it very much. We suspect that fh@eddie, half-bright boy that he is, was merely half-clever enough to use rlr@borax to half-hide his tracks. As long-time readers of *.religion all remember, anything is possible, but only a few things actually happen. We personally disapprove of eddie's strict policy concerning forged news. We have posted at times articles apparently from Santa Claus or "the real Rich Rosen" with a standard brahms gang signature. We don't think anyone was fooled by them. And we enjoyed the mod.announce April Fools' Day forging of a "Mark Horton" article, and the fake ubizmo@brahms "UCB Wrath Dept" articles some time back immensely. The fake "arndt@prometheus" articles, however, were feet of a different odor entirely. We do not deny that some people find vicious harassment of others quite hilarious, but even Mikki has "heartily agreed" that these particular forgeries were out of acceptable net.bounds. We also are sorry that Gene Spafford judges talk.* based on Bonehead's personal campaign to turn talk.religion.misc into a proctological exam- ination room. From the very beginning he stated that his purpose was to outflame the brahms gang and anyone else, etc. The grapevine we've heard says that Foothead wanted to be the big metaflamer of the flamers--we think he has overdone it for some months now, and this latest has merely blown up in his face. Unfortunately, talk.religion.misc and talk.* suf- fers for this. As a final comment, it was refreshing to see the real Ken Arndt. In case there was any lingering doubt, do note that it was crossposted to two max- imally inappropriate groups. ucbvax!brahms!weemba Matthew P Wiener/Brahms Gang/Berkeley CA 94720 ucbvax!brahms!gsmith Gene Ward Smith /Brahms Gang/Berkeley CA 94720 Those imposters, then, whom they call mathematicians, I consulted without scruple, because they seemed to use no sacrifice, nor pray to any spirit for their divinations. --Saint Augustine