Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!utgpu!water!watmath!clyde!rutgers!husc6!seismo!epiwrl!epimass!jbuck From: jbuck@epimass.UUCP Newsgroups: news.misc Subject: Re: The USENET Backbone (Last changed: 30 April 1987) Message-ID: <1127@epimass.UUCP> Date: Tue, 5-May-87 12:33:22 EDT Article-I.D.: epimass.1127 Posted: Tue May 5 12:33:22 1987 Date-Received: Thu, 7-May-87 02:10:33 EDT References: <15219@gatech.gatech.edu> <3753@oddjob.UChicago.EDU> Reply-To: jbuck@epimass.UUCP (Joe Buck) Organization: Entropic Processing, Inc., Cupertino, CA Lines: 30 In article <3753@oddjob.UChicago.EDU> matt@oddjob.uchicago.edu (Sherlock, the keen-eyed detective) writes: >In article <15219@gatech.gatech.edu> usenet@gatech.edu writes: >) [Most recent change: 30 April 1987 by spaf] >) >) A Usenet "backbone" site is one which exchanges every (non-local) news >) article it receives with at least two other backbone sites; or which is > >After a couple unanswered mail messages to Gene I still don't >understand the application of this definition. If all the links >in a chain like > ihnp4 -- x -- y -- hao >are low-delay and full feeds, are x & y then backbone sites? >Is the answer different in a case like ihnp4 -- z -- hao? I wrote a set of programs that perform analysis on Path: headers (available from mod.sources, er, comp.sources.unix). Among other things, there's an awk script called "closure" that, roughly, implements Gene's definition of a backbone site. In Matt's example above, it would add x, y, and z to the backbone if the given strings appeared more than a certain number of times in the paths. The result, which has been consistent every time I've run it, is that the "real backbone" -- the sites most responsible for circulating the news -- is about twice as big as "Gene's backbone", and much more of it is on the Internet than is shown in Gene's map. -- - Joe Buck {hplabs,ihnp4,sun,ames}!oliveb!epimass!jbuck seismo!epiwrl!epimass!jbuck