Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!utgpu!water!watmath!clyde!rutgers!seismo!rochester!kodak!ornitz From: ornitz@kodak.UUCP Newsgroups: sci.electronics Subject: Re: Physiology Grounding (and GFI's) Message-ID: <842@kodak.UUCP> Date: Wed, 6-May-87 09:19:57 EDT Article-I.D.: kodak.842 Posted: Wed May 6 09:19:57 1987 Date-Received: Fri, 8-May-87 01:48:17 EDT References: <573@neoucom.UUCP> Reply-To: ornitz@kodak.UUCP (barry ornitz) Organization: Eastman Kodak Co, Rochester, NY Lines: 28 Keywords: grounding, shielding, ground fault interrupters, GFI Summary: GFI's may not work here. Ground fault interrupters do not trip by sensing current in the Green wire; they trip by detecting the difference in current between the hot and neutral wires. Leakage from the hot wire (Black) may be to externally grounded objects, thus sensing current in the ground wire (Green) does no good. In Galen's situation, the ground wires are actually lifted from ground by the impedances of the wiring. Current returning in the neutral line will create a voltage drop in the wiring. Connecting the ground to the neutral at the socket will impose this voltage on any equipment connected to the ground wire. Touching this equipment and another, perhaps better, ground such as a cold water pipe could create a shock hazard which would not be detected by a GFI. I suggested to Galen that he use an Ultra-Isolation transformer with the equipment ground not being connected to his neutral but to an external ground. Since neither side of the isolation transformer secondary is grounded, there should be an added measure of safety. With the proper use of differential inputs on amplifiers, etc., most of the noise problems can be eliminated but the safety problem will remain unless the neutral and ground line are connected only at the actual "ground" location (practically speaking - the service entrance where the physical "ground" connection is made). ----------------- | ___ ________ | | | / / | | Dr. Barry L. Ornitz UUCP:...!rochester!kodak!ornitz | | / / | | Eastman Kodak Company | |< < K O D A K| | Eastman Chemicals Division Research Laboratories | | \ \ | | P. O. Box 1972 | |__\ \________| | Kingsport, TN 37662 615/229-4904 | | -----------------