Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!utgpu!water!watmath!clyde!rutgers!ames!ucbcad!ucbvax!EMBL.BITNET!DAVIS From: DAVIS@EMBL.BITNET.UUCP Newsgroups: comp.ai.digest Subject: framing problems Message-ID: <8705280722.AA09419@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> Date: Thu, 21-May-87 08:01:33 EDT Article-I.D.: ucbvax.8705280722.AA09419 Posted: Thu May 21 08:01:33 1987 Date-Received: Fri, 29-May-87 04:41:33 EDT Sender: daemon@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Distribution: world Organization: The ARPA Internet Lines: 24 Approved: ailist@stripe.sri.com I'd like to briefly say that perhaps an even more astounding problem than that proposed by Stevan Harnad is that connected with the means by which literate, intelligent and interested persons can totally obscure the central core of an idea by the use of unnecessarily obtuse jargon. If we're going to discuss the more philosphical end of AI (*yes please!*), then we don't *have* to throw everyone else off the track by bogging down the chat in a maze of terms intended to have *such* a precise meaning as to prevent anyone but the author from truly grasping the intended meaning. Hofstadter's mention of the journal "Art - Language" in metamagical themas should be than just humourous - it should have warned us all about the dangers of ridiculously narrow terminology. thankyou, and goodnight (yaaaawn!) paul davis netmail: davis@embl.bitnet "and when calculating the promise, remember this - the real of the matter - `to shatter tradition makes us *feel* free, but tradition, is a static defence against a chaotic community, and what do we gain by destroying it'?"