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From: gwl@rruxa.UUCP
Newsgroups: comp.edu
Subject: Re: Cheating on Programming Assignments (Honor System)
Message-ID: <264@rruxa.UUCP>
Date: Thu, 7-May-87 13:20:15 EDT
Article-I.D.: rruxa.264
Posted: Thu May  7 13:20:15 1987
Date-Received: Sat, 9-May-87 06:59:12 EDT
References: <263@rruxa.UUCP> <4546@utah-cs.UUCP>
Organization: Bell Communications Research
Lines: 51
Keywords: cheating, honor systems, crock

In article <4546@utah-cs.UUCP>, cetron@utah-cs.UUCP writes:
> In article <263@rruxa.UUCP> gwl@rruxa.UUCP writes:
> >
> >In article <278@herman.UUCP> root@herman.UUCP writes:
> >>
> >>First of all i have to let out a little school rah-rah:  I did my undergraduate
> >>work at the University of Virginia (wah-hoo-wah (:-)) which has a famous (at
> >>least on the east coast) honor system.  Essentially, its precepts are:  One
> >>does not cheat, and therefore there need be little energy spent on it.  One did
> >
> >    This is a crock.  Honor Systems are a joke.  I attended Stevens
> >Institute of Technology in Hoboken, NJ my freshman year.  At Stevens
> 
> whooooaahh..... now I'm not familiar with the honor system at stevens, but if
> its like most, the punishment is simply an f, maybe even probation or 
> suspension.  U.Va. has a slightly more draconian punishement - full expulsion
                                                                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
       The same is true at Stevens.

> - you are gone for good with no appeal or lesser punishment - just like the
> military academies used to be.  After 3 years as and undergrad I saw NO cases
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

       Ever hear of the flap a few years back at West Point over 
cheating scandals???????

    ***** Other stuff deleted *****

> 	Maybe the honor system at stevens is a joke 'cause the students feel
> it is a joke (or maybe just students without pride) but the honor code (in
                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

      Or maybe because people are human and may give in to temptations,
especially when under great stress.  Are you trying to tell me that there
is something about the people who attend U of Va. that sets them apart
from the rest of humanity?  I don't think it is a case of the system
works just fine, its more like people don't get caught that often.


George W. Leach

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