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From: det@herman.UUCP (Derek Terveer)
Newsgroups: comp.edu
Subject: Re: Cheating on Programming Assignments (Honor System)
Message-ID: <482@herman.UUCP>
Date: Fri, 8-May-87 02:09:50 EDT
Article-I.D.: herman.482
Posted: Fri May  8 02:09:50 1987
Date-Received: Sat, 9-May-87 21:49:45 EDT
References: <263@rruxa.UUCP> <4546@utah-cs.UUCP>
Organization: Unisys Inc.-CSD  Eagan,MN
Lines: 30
Keywords: cheating, honor systems, crock
Summary: what the students FEEL is important

In article <4546@utah-cs.UUCP>, cetron@utah-cs.UUCP (Edward J Cetron) writes:
> In article <263@rruxa.UUCP> gwl@rruxa.UUCP writes:
> >    This is a crock.  Honor Systems are a joke.  I attended Stevens
> >Institute of Technology in Hoboken, NJ my freshman year.  At Stevens
> 
> 	Maybe the honor system at stevens is a joke 'cause the students feel
> it is a joke (or maybe just students without pride) but the honor code (in
> spite of its draconianess) works just fine at the University of Virginia.

Ed has delved to the crux of the matter here, i think, and that is:  Given  two
equally  "draconian"  honor  systems  where  one student body regards the whole
affair as a sometimes-inconvenient joke, and the other student body that  takes
the  system  seriously, obviously the latter will work and the former fail.  So
it is a little more than just the  words  on  the  paper.   *I*  believed  very
strongly  in   it (I still do -- it affects my life even today (like it should)
(:-)) when I was there and I know that even though perhaps I was somewhat  more
of  a  hazy eyed  idealist  than  quite a few of my fellow students, I detected
vastly more awareness of the honor system at UVA than at other schools.

Sigh, i almost hate to do this, but:

	"Has anybody else had similar experiences as gwl
	 (the majority, i presume) or Ed (the minority,
	 i expect)?"

P.s. I also missed gwl@rruxa's followup article to the lamb that i threw into
     the ring.
P.p.s. Glad to meet another who has Grounds for discussion on this matter.

derek terveer	(seas '83)