Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!mnetor!seismo!rutgers!ames!ucbcad!ucbvax!OHIO-STATE.ARPA!elwell From: elwell@OHIO-STATE.ARPA (Clayton M. Elwell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip Subject: (none) Message-ID: <8705261839.AA15012@ohio-state.ARPA> Date: Tue, 26-May-87 14:39:57 EDT Article-I.D.: ohio-sta.8705261839.AA15012 Posted: Tue May 26 14:39:57 1987 Date-Received: Fri, 29-May-87 06:07:40 EDT Sender: daemon@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Distribution: world Organization: The ARPA Internet Lines: 53 Sigh. It seems a little clarification is in order here. Although I appreciate your enthusiasm in developing a item that may be of interest to the research community, I must point out to you that this particular activity, even though not for profit, is somewhat out of line with Arpanet policy. May I please point all of you out their to the DDN publication NIC 50003, "Arpanet Information Brochure" and the statement on page seven (7): Users of Arpanet may only use the network to conduct the offical business for which their access was authorized. They may not violate privacy or any other applicable laws, and must not use the network for private gain or for commercial purposes, such as advertising or recruiting. My message was posted to the Usenet newsgroup "comp.protocols.tcp-ip." At the time I was not aware that it was automatically gatewayed to the Arpanet. If this violated any DDN policy, in letter or in spirit, it was certainly unintentional. Even on Usenet, advertising is frowned upon. This message was not an offer to produce or sell any item, merely an attempt to see if anyone else might be interested. Keeping a sense of humor alive about your work is certainly part of the Arpanet tradition (cf. the Hacker's Dictionary and other such materials available via anonymous FTP all over the internet...). I do not see how the paragraph I posted could have been construed as trying to "bend the rules," especially when compared with the many commercially oriented ARPA mailing lists. Please don't push me on the interpretation of this mild rule, the coefficient of elasticity is high, but the energy put into the push may find a way of returning to its source. I'm not in the T-shirt business :-). I'm a systems programmer for a major university currently in the throes of some knotty networking problems regarding the Arpanet and TCP/IP in general. Sometimes you have to laugh about it. The TCP/IP newsgroup on Usenet seemed to be the most likely place to find some people that would get the joke. Dennis G. Perry Program Manager of the Arpanet Information Science and Technology Office DARPA ------- I apologize for any inconvenience or perceived violation. This is always a risk, though, especially when a private system is connected to a (relatively) public one. Perhaps the Usenet gateway should be moderated. --Clayton Elwell The Ohio State University Department of Computer and Information Science Research Computing Facility