Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!mnetor!seismo!husc6!think!ames!sdcsvax!ucbvax!hplabs!hplabsc!taylor From: barbaraz%hawkeye.gwd.tek.com@RELAY.CS.NET (Barbara Zanzig) Newsgroups: comp.society Subject: Computers and Open Meetings laws Message-ID: <1864@hplabsc.HP.COM> Date: Wed, 20-May-87 20:16:23 EDT Article-I.D.: hplabsc.1864 Posted: Wed May 20 20:16:23 1987 Date-Received: Sat, 23-May-87 09:16:44 EDT Sender: taylor@hplabsc.HP.COM Distribution: world Lines: 63 Approved: taylor@hplabs An editorial in The (Portland) Oregonian: OPENNESS RESISTS CHIPPING Oregon is inching toward truly interactive local government. The Gresham City Council has voted to supply its members with computer terminals in their homes, to enable them to do research in the city's system at any time. Providing unpaid elected officials with the tools to do their job better is easily worth the $6,000 appropriated for this purpose. But in a state with a strong Open Meetings Law and Open Records Law, does technology now require an Open Electronic Impulses Law? The Gresham computer system, like many others, permits users to send messages to other users. Anyone with a modicum of conspiracy theory can easily imagine a quorum of the City Council logged on to their computers together, busily conducting city business beyond the prying eyes of those without user codes. Gresham officials realize the risks involved. Even if city residents cannot gain access to the system, the information in it still belongs to them. And since a private conference call among a council quorum is illegal, a computer caucus would equally constitute an access violation. "What goes in is something we're concerned about, and I will probably advise them to be conservative," says City Attorney Tom Sponsler. "For council members to communicate, with a quorum, on how they feel about policy is not appropriate, and I will so advise them." Sponsler thinks there is a greater potential for violations of the Open Records Law than the Open Meetings Law. "Anything of any substance," he advises, "should not exist only online." Members should also remember, as Lt. Col. Oliver North could remind them, that anything put into a system can later be pulled out of the system. City Manager Wally Douthwaite expects that before the system goes on line, Gresham will need a written policy on its use. The need for clarification may not stop there. "There may be a time when computer use will be so universal that we will need to take another look at the law," says Oregon Attorney General Dave Frohnmayer. "The Open Meetings Law was not designed for this technology." The rules, Frohnmayer and Sponsler agree, should be clear. Providing information by computer is fine; debating and negotiating electronically slips into silicon secrecy. If the legal principle is clear, the technology should be able to follow. All that is needed by Gresham - and the cities that will doubtless follow its example - is a package of Open Meeting Software. And people who understand its importance. ***[end of editorial] I spoke to the reporter who covered the story, and he said it was an email system, not an interactive conferencing system. He thought they'd be using a VAX 220 (?), and didn't know which operating system. Barbara Zanzig {major backbone sites}!tektronix!tekecs!barbaraz barbaraz@tekecs.tek.com