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From: dillon@CORY.BERKELEY.EDU (Matt Dillon)
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Subject: Re: AmigaWorld Expo cancelled (Flames ahead)
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Date: Fri, 22-May-87 03:21:08 EDT
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	I will attempt to make a coherent reply:

>Funny that I should think of that again.  Only this time the scope is
>expanded quite a bit:  Are Amiga owners in general going to be orphaned
>because of Commodore's incompetence?  I know that I am making a strong
>statement, but maybe it's time for some strong statements to be made.

	Look at it this way.  Since Commodore is now completely dependant on
the Amiga's success (as far as its creditors are concerned), if we Amiga 
owners get orphaned, it will probably be due to commodore going out of 
business.  I daresay that this is one end Commodore is striving to avoid.

>Maybe it's time that upper (mis)management at C/A be strapped into
>chairs and forced to read this news.group all night long!  Maybe
>then they would realize what a gold mine they really have and what
>schmucks they are being!

	Fortunetly not many (if any) are.  Because if they were, I doubt 
they would be after reading your message.  Getting back on track:  The only
feasible way of getting our opinions used to their full potential is through
all the C-A people on the net who are reading this newsgroup.  Certainly they
have a better chance at integrating the ideas and knowlege into C-A than some
executive far removed from the actual development.  These people are also 
much closer to our level (as in recognition.  The paradigm is such
that we end users are usually not treated with any amount of respect when
conversing directly with almost *any* executive).  

	BTW note the following:  Fledging companies, though small, tend to
be very well integrated.  Many people seem to have the idea that integration
problems arise due to a company getting too big.  In fact, integration has
almost nothing to do with the size of the company.  Simply put, it is the
executive... controller of the $$ flow, new projects, etc... who is getting
farther and farther removed from the bowels of the company as it is growing
larger.  IBM is a case in point of this extreme.  Apple is another case, but 
they aren't so far gone.  Commodore is up there with IBM.  Atari?  no comment.  
A good example of a well integrated (and currently small) company?  How
about Adobe.  SUN microsystems is an excellent example of a company on the
low (well integrated) end of the scale.

>The Atari ST is still a toy and still a piece of S--t!  The Amiga may
>have it's problems, but at least they didn't try to glue a toy keyboard
>on top of an over glorified video game box that doesn't have an internal
>power supply or disk drive!  Get a life!

	It is generally agreed that the Atari ST was not ready for release
when it was released.  In my opinion, it needs at least another year's worth
of in-house development.  But then again, Atari didn't really have much choice
in the release date with the Amiga and new Macs comming out.  Though the 
hardware is certainly not a toy, its OS is, and this in itself will be its
downfall.  

>Come On Commodore!  Get off your asses and get out there and prove to
>us loyal owners (and prospective owners as well) that you are deserving
>of our continued loyalty!

	Loyalty is the wrong word for it.  My respect for Commodore as a whole
extends only to their ability to mass produce.   In fact, I have a certain
disrespect for the idiots who are mismanaging all the bright minds on lower
levels.  My respect for the Amiga extends only to the people who developed the
hardware and software.  I have, of course, respect for a great many other 
people and things (many parts of the C-A support group fall into this 
catagory), so don't take the latter as a complete list.  One can also simply
*like* a product without being loyal to it.

				-Matt