Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!mnetor!seismo!uwvax!oddjob!gargoyle!ihnp4!ihuxz!cmv From: cmv@ihuxz.ATT.COM (Craig Votava) Newsgroups: comp.sys.att Subject: Re: PC7300 upgrade question Message-ID: <2077@ihuxz.ATT.COM> Date: Mon, 18-May-87 13:00:14 EDT Article-I.D.: ihuxz.2077 Posted: Mon May 18 13:00:14 1987 Date-Received: Tue, 19-May-87 04:39:06 EDT References: <2069@arizona.edu> <168@gizzmo.UUCP> Reply-To: cmv@ihuxz.UUCP (Craig Votava) Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories Lines: 52 Keywords: UNIXPC PC7300 memory disks upgrade About upgrading memory in your own 7300 In article <168@gizzmo.UUCP> mark@gizzmo.UUCP (mark hilliard) writes: > >I WOULDNT SUGGEST DOING THIS AS ATT HAS MODIFIED THE VARIOUS MODELS OF THE >7300 WITH CUT RUNS, STRAPS AND OTHER NASTY STUFF TO ALTER THE WAY MEMORY >WORKS. THERE HAVE BEEN HORROR STORIES ABOUT PEOPLE TRYING TO DO THIS MOD >AND PAYING $2600 FOR A NEW ONE. ALSO I MUST MENTION THAT THE BOARD ARE >MULTI-LAYER, AND THAT UNLESS YOU HAVE BEEN TO A NASA SOLDERING SCHOOL THAT >YOU CAN REALLY MESS UP THE BOARDS WITHOUT EVEN KNOWING SO. CALL AMPERFAX >AND THEY WILL GIVE YOU LOTS OF DOCUMENTATED CASES WITH PHONE NUMBERS. Sorry Mark, but I disagree with your statement! I too wanted to upgrade the memory in my 7300 and and called Amperfax to ask how difficult it is. They tried to scare me off with the same arguments that you've mentioned above. Then, I went to a group of veteran hardware guys here at Bell Labs and asked them what their opinion was. They said that you do have to be careful on multilayer boards, but it's no more difficult than desoldering on a single layer board. As far as strap changes and cut runs, I can't speak for all versions of the motherboard, but for mine (p3...p5) the change is simply a jumper change. I even have a copy of the instructions on how to do this that appears in a document published by Convergent themselves! My conclusion is that Amperfax is trying to get buisness (which is a valid thing for them to do) and so try and discourage folks from doing this. For me, their prices are too high for something I can do myself. Now, if your wondering how I can say all this, it's because I've recently taken a 0.5MB expansion board and ripped all the 64K chips out, installed sockets, and populated them with 256K chips. This took about 4 days, because I was so worried I'd screw up something, now I feel I could have done it in 2 easy days, or one work-hard day. After I did the hardware, I spent almost 3 weeks playing phone tag with the jerks at Convergent trying to figure out the jumper configuration (It's not the same on the expansion board as it is on the motherboard). When they did answer me, they gave me the wrong answer. Finally a very smart guy in AT&T figured it out and told me how it works. It takes 3 jumper wire changes... thats it! I now have a 2MB expansion memory board working in my unix-pc. I will be going after the motherboard sometime soon as my next project. If *ANYBODY* wants to do this, I will gladly send instructions/recommendations, etc. I would advise that you DON NOT take what you hear from amperfax as bible, and by the same token don't take what I say as bible either. Find a hardware guy that's knows his stuff and is familiar with you and ask his advice. I'll bet that you'll end up giving it a try too! I will be posting a detailed article in unix-pc.general as to how I did this. If you don't subscribe to this newsgroup, send me mail and I will gladly send you a copy! Craig Votava AT&T Bell Labs, Naperville IL IH 4G-324 x2542 {ihnp4!} ihlpm!cmv ih3b1!cmv