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From: davidsen@steinmetz.steinmetz.UUCP (William E. Davidsen Jr)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc
Subject: Re: Who sells PC/VI?:  Now MKS Toolkit
Message-ID: <6067@steinmetz.steinmetz.UUCP>
Date: Wed, 27-May-87 16:51:02 EDT
Article-I.D.: steinmet.6067
Posted: Wed May 27 16:51:02 1987
Date-Received: Sat, 30-May-87 05:07:58 EDT
References: <42900004@uicsrd| <413@qiclab.UUCP| <2168@tekgvs.TEK.COM| <242@mks.UUCP| <335@booboo.UUCP|
Reply-To: davidsen@kbsvax.steinmetz.UUCP (William E. Davidsen Jr)
Distribution: comp
Organization: General Electric CRD, Schenectady, NY
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In article <335@booboo.UUCP| amir@booboo.UUCP (Amir Majidimehr) writes:
|In article <242@mks.UUCP|, alex@mks.UUCP writes:
|| In article <2596@watdragon.UUCP|, absary@watdragon.UUCP (Al Sary) writes:
|| | |On a scale of 1 to 10 I give MKS a 9. They only lose 1 point because
|| | |I can't figure out how to send things to the printer without
|| | |invoking command.com - and staying there while the printer finishes.
|| | 
|| | I discovered the same problem; I don't know how to get around it either.
|| | 
|| | I am not sure I would scale it at 9 for reliability just yet.  Our
|| | ... stuff ...
|
|The release 2.0 (or whatever came out in January) was a fiasco.  I bought
Because it wasn't bug free?
|
| ... more stuff deleted ...
|How could you send out the ksh in the state that it was in?  I have *never*
|had a buggier piece of software in my life (public domain included)!  It
	^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^  lucky you!
|crashed the machine every four or five commands (either hangs or refusing
|to execute any commands).  I finally lost so much work that had to revert
|back to command.com. 
There were (still are) a few sequences which cause problems, and it doesn't
LIKE to run on a fast system (don't ask me why a command processor is timing
sensitive, it is).

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|
|| To set the record straight on what will be in the next release of the toolkit,
|| version 2.2 it is as follows:
|| pr fold expand unexpand uname env deroff fmt pack unpack pcat
|| new AWK -multi-dimension arrays, symtab, garbage collection.
|| New SH - vi&emacs editing mode and many small things
|| VI - ega-support for |24 lines
|| login, init, passwd
|
|I wish you would spend more time fixing useful commands than coming up with
|yet another "awk" command.  Do you really think people use awk more than
     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^				    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
	not another, just complete				yes.
|vi and ksh?  By the way, "vi&emacs" editing are an essential part of ksh.
						    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Your opinion only. Many people want the loop constructs, etc, and find
that the editing is nice, but not essential. I would use ksh even if
it had no interface but to read command files. I can do things I couldn't
do in command.com with any trickery.

|How could you omit them in the first version and still call it ksh?
|
|| Date for release 2.2 is not set yet - we hope to go to beta release at the
|| end of this month, with real release by June.  But no promises!
|| 
|And let me guess.  You are going to charge for this release, right?
Did you expect that buying one copy would give you a lifetime supply?
With rare exceptions all companies have to charge for updates.

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