Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!mnetor!seismo!rutgers!mit-eddie!genrad!decvax!dartvax!earleh From: earleh@dartvax.UUCP (Earle R. Horton) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac,comp.emacs Subject: Re: microemacs 3.8 for Mac, SE, Mac II Message-ID: <6233@dartvax.UUCP> Date: Sun, 17-May-87 12:01:05 EDT Article-I.D.: dartvax.6233 Posted: Sun May 17 12:01:05 1987 Date-Received: Mon, 18-May-87 04:00:12 EDT References: <6219@dartvax.UUCP> <779@apple.UUCP> Organization: Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Graduate Students Lines: 58 Keywords: keycodes, compatibility, help Summary: I just want the keycode, dammit! Xref: mnetor comp.sys.mac:3274 comp.emacs:985 In article <779@apple.UUCP>, dgold@apple.UUCP (David Goldsmith) writes: > In article <6219@dartvax.UUCP> earleh@dartvax.UUCP (Earle R. Horton) writes: > >...I am not a registered Mac developer, but rather a hobbyist, > >and do not have the same access to information that I assume others > >might have. > > I'd like to state once again that you don't have to be a registered > developer, or even a certified developer, in order to have complete > information on programming the Macintosh. > > First, join the Apple Programmer's and Developer's Association (APDA). > It only costs $20 a year, and you get catalogs which describe all the > Mac and Apple // technical info which you can order, including Inside > Mac volume V which has information on the new ADB keyboards. > First, let me apologize to readers of comp.emacs for the cross posting. I'm sorry. Second, I don't want to join ADPA, and I really don't want to buy IM volume V. I have IM volume IV, and it's poorly written. It lacks the detail found in the Promotional Edition, which I also have. The File Manager chapter, which is supposed to be a complete rewrite, is more like a Reader's Digest Abstract of what a proper manual would be. Apple should hire some real writers, or, if they have some, they should put them to work. I mean this, it is an objective criticism, and not a flame, and should be taken as such. The keycodes for the cursor keys would not be different on the mew machines if Apple had taken the trouble to design the Mac+ keyboard properly in the first place. When the shift key is held down, it is IMPOSSIBLE to determine whether a cursor key or a key on the numeric keypad is being pressed. This is not acceptable, since the same problem also affects the caps lock key, making it next to impossible to type in an ANSI 77 FORTRAN program with a terminal emulator (remember, no lower case?) and move the cursor around at the same time. Morally, Apple owes everyone who purchased a Mac+ or the separate keyboard a new, properly designed, keyboard. Since I do not expect a new keyboard to arrive at any time in the near future, I would settle for someone who has this information at least telling me what the new keycodes are. If I had an SE myself, I could determine in about 15 minutes what the keycodes are. I do not, and I cannot justify spending hard-earned funds to buy poorly-written documentation that describes a piece of hardware which I do not have. So, again, will someone who knows please send me the keycode for the escape key and the four cursor keys on the new keyboard, as returned in the event message by GetNextEvent? In view of the shoddy treatment I have received regarding the purchase of this damaged keyboard, it is the least you could do. Thank you. Earle Horton -- **************************************************************************** * Dot seegnachur? I don' got to show you no steenkeen dot seegnachur!! * ****************************************************************************