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From: hallett@macbeth.steinmetz (Hallett)
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Subject: Re: Programmers and Users
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Date: Thu, 21-May-87 16:10:57 EDT
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In article <797@apple.UUCP> kentb@apple.UUCP (Kent Beck) writes:
> ...
>graphically reminded of this when I consulted on a project which the 
>software engineers had nearly complexified into extinction. 
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> ...  The software
>engineers had to implement the system, though, and nearly ruined it again.

I propose then that these "software engineers" were not competent ones.
Software engineers shouldn't be tied to "human factors" so nonchalantly.  
I do not suffer from the delusion that human factors will cure the software
crisis and help Mom make better apple pie.  Human factors have their place
along with everything else.  When they are applied poorly, problems will
arise (as with anything else) and sadly, that is what it seems you found.
As a software engineer, my goal is to create a product that the user needs,
wants and can be comfortable using.

What the devil is an "application engineer"???

Jeffrey A. Hallett               (hallett@ge-crd.arpa   hallett@desdemona.uucp)
Software Technology Program
General Electric Corporate Research and Development

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"The needs of the few outweigh the needs of the many"

                                 -- Kirk  (STIII)
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Disclaimer:  My opinions do not represent my employer's, but it is his fault 
             for giving me this thing.

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